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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293822 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It would mean leaving the default build without several features. Since >> those features will be missing by default, most users will not know of >> them, and they will end up not being useful. > > But since we are talking about making GTK not the default build, that > should be okay, I think. Yes, that sounds okay.