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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f808c2ffbdd5c41459f700599981b7aa; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 01:50:07 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Yilkal Argaw's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 20:52:33 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.44; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic317-33.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293929 Archived-At: Yilkal Argaw writes: > I recently tried to investigate this issue so I configured emacs with > the "with-x-toolkit=no" option. The thing that bothered me more than > dated look was the fact that the mouse button behaviours (clicks > doubleclicks and whatnot) do not work like many modern users have > gotten used to. I am of that generation who learned computing from in > windows 2000 era so holding the click button to navigate through menu > entries was very confusing. I know this behaviour dates back in the > history of X and that programs like xterm use it but I would think > making the default might turn out to be a lot more confusing to new > users. This behaviour is also a bit hard to use with touch pads (since > many users just tap for clicks). I might be missing something so > correct me if I am wrong. Clicks and double clicks should work the same way as they do on any other build, right?