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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300706 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > But I'd be happy to find out that 98% of our users' cases can be > handled with markers. I think you'll begin to lose that bet right here in the Emacs repo. Take the doc/ directory where Emacs's manuals live. It's pretty reasonable to consider a non-programmer (or non-Elisp) contributor working on that directory almost exclusively, perhaps as a proof-reader. That person would like C-x p f, C-x p g, etc to operate on the /doc hierarchy almost always. For example to escape the enormous amount of grep matches in the Changelog files. Occasionally, that person might want to grep the super-project (Emacs itself) or run a compilation command from there, but that would be infrequent. Now, using marker files to mark doc/ as a subproject is not only impossible (there are none) and also useless. Marker files _are_ useful in e.g. large Javascript monorepos where a lot of NPM packages live. These are frequently added, removed, reshuffled. There, looking for `package.json` to designate subprojects makes a lot of sense, this is beyond question IMO. But that doesn't make the case I describe above an exotic exception in any way. Jo=C3=A3o