From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#61325: 30.0.50; Jokes in GNUS manual Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1p8cqqs.fsf@localhost> References: <87ttzy7pg1.fsf@localhost> <87wn4u6xj0.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qn1afay.fsf@localhost> <87r0v17iul.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zg9peijp.fsf@localhost> <87mt5p7etx.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn4tedtx.fsf@localhost> <87a61p7bpu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r0v1e9kg.fsf@localhost> <871qn16j3i.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qn0e67a.fsf@localhost> <87h6vw5qpw.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="759"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 61325@debbugs.gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 12:59:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6h-000AY0-A1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 12:59:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6T-0001Ce-As; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6N-0001Ba-DW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:59:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6M-00057H-Sr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6M-0006pp-G4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:59:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61325 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 61325-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61325.167585753726262 (code B ref 61325); Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 61325) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2023 11:58:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54937 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6H-0006pW-Gt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:58:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:53285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pPj6F-0006pI-Kp for 61325@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:58:56 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FC0524021D for <61325@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 12:58:49 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675857529; bh=f7inLHl48HRsetFFUvlr7MSCu15v3+F3LmHsSDYd8S0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=P0HKbrErHe8twBWLrTT6ZK+cL3LELfKa2/BVzjZ3UvrTgN1WEyrQkMcwh5ARoqhv+ wBtGTvSQE1eEKjkj+37gpfo0L+hMzrCFnG3M3ADRpA/DbUx7/gVEImsyPfS6DohvRm yIfO244Yr9OGFhQv9dqlsStA6PvriA4ScNwam9/T0lOPiVavNj5AyeCJyNLcSB2oMx q8z6y8OWq1qZWqRZX5yl1cUU2c/f+WuTGhVuQgW5xNlUt5fWwfA5SpUOIRt5yAlWCc WSkY6wgdtxWOSPEI7EyVg47b+hmOqdi3ak/5ZsUtkA9ubgYK2p/7cx7WsWzjCsHiCV dkfCiD2V67Pzg== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PBdnK6lVQz9rxF; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 12:58:45 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87h6vw5qpw.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:255117 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Ihor Radchenko writes: > >> Do you imply that users who did not understand certain parts of manual >> because of presence of jokes should just try harder instead of asking to >> clarify of the manual? > > Yes, when it is clear to most people that they do not impair the ability > to understand the manual. I agree that jokes that do not impair the ability to understand the manual are ok. I disagree that jokes in "8 Scoring" and "3.16 Group Topics" do not impair the understanding. For me, section 8 and section 3.16 are harder to understand because of jokes. I even missed some of the technical statements. A note "3.15 Exiting Gnus" does not impair my understanding. Just make me feel confused about what it means. > Many people do not understand English. > Should we write Emacs documentation in some other language, then? Please, do not use appeal to ridicule. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at