From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Resources for an old newbie ? Date: Sun, 28 May 2023 23:23:45 +0200 Message-ID: <87y1l8880u.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <0e037ca2-517d-3b52-2187-a7bba7956fbd@starynkevitch.net> <87353ndhzg.fsf@web.de> <871qj7397n.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87sfbmy794.fsf@web.de> <87mt1t1act.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87lehbvkiy.fsf@web.de> <87r0r2cov7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <875y8d6x70.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2728"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:8u71sbx6znxfcmEpdMQipaS9nLE= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 30 18:22:44 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q427Q-0000RR-Eo for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 18:22:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q426l-0007nv-9o; Tue, 30 May 2023 12:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3Nrw-0003op-KC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2023 17:24:04 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3Nrv-0003zo-0n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2023 17:24:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q3Nrs-0001IR-9E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 28 May 2023 23:24:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.248, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 May 2023 12:22:02 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143797 Archived-At: Michael Heerdegen wrote: >> And people are very fluent with those kind of sysadmin >> Linux and BSD commands these days, it is done in >> an instant! > > For those that a very fluent with these things, ok. I don't understand, what is this sudden underestimation? People all over the world are downloading software and installing it on various Unix platforms, it is part of computer literacy and happens every day. > But there are other Emacs users, too. I don't understand, are they unable to do it? But by all means, it's optional to those not brave enough to take that bold step. >> I'm talking about installing the latest version, not >> writing endless Elisp if that's what you mean? > > Master is broken from time to time. If so say so, I never had the situation but I suppose it could happen. But regardless it can hardly be held against supposed "beginners" compiling Emacs what mistakes Emacs developers may or may not do ... > If something breaks, one needs to be able to find out the > cause (my init file? my os? emacs itself?). People yet > learning Emacs Lisp can't do that so easily. Again, it is about Unix (Linux and BSD) commands and system administration at a basic level, it has nothing to do with Elisp or any supposedly advanced activities regarding Emacs ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal