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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309690 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Po Lu writes: > >>> That way, some users may be able to create new threads at least, which >>> is apparently more comfortable for some users. >> >> Do we really want to trouble Emacs development with yet another burden >> to mind? Two kinds of threads, in one of which certain subjects or >> measures are off-limits, really? > > What about using mailing list first then? > For mailing list users, there will be no difference. > For Disccourse, some topics might remain merged even when mailing list > thread branched off several discussion threads. At this point I don't know what the problem is that you are trying to solve. If we want to invite more people to participate in discussions on emacs-devel, but treat those who use Disccourse as lesser citizens. There comes a point where people have to accept that mailing lists aren't weird and unusable -- this is not a primarily technical problem. Some people are afraid of communicating with the mailing list or reporting bugs because of an image issue. I have on more than one occasion heard of people who intentionally avoid communicating with emacs-devel due to bad experience. Others fear sending a message out into the blue and not knowing who will read and respond to what they said, will they be shouted down or just ignored. In principle these issues are shared in common with all other Fora (Discourse, Reddit, etc.), with perhaps the difference that you can delete and edit a post after posting it. What I think the Org project does well is the "This month in Org" line of posts, that help highlight contributions from newcomers and familiarise those familiar with a mailing list with the procedures going on here. Just in the past few days, I have seen people ask on the #emacs@libera.chat IRC channel what they think would happen if they were to submit a patch, and if it would be accepted. This demonstrates an uncertainty, that apparently cannot be resolved by actually sending a patch and seeing what happens. I have mentioned the idea of a ELPA newsletter somewhere around here once, but upon reflection, it seems like a TMIO-like idea should be implemented to the entire core-development, not just the ELPAs. Would anyone here be interested in working on something like that?