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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e6de0401c16a8d1ea2ac0a528f63efd2; Sat, 02 Sep 2023 11:45:45 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <2dece74f-fdd6-9438-b09c-40147719af06@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sat, 2 Sep 2023 14:35:40 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.146; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic309-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309876 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 02/09/2023 12:00, Po Lu wrote: >> So IIUC, you're proposing that a significant amount of time and energy >> be expended on an endeavor meant to accommodate a very small fraction of >> people who are loath to subscribe to the list, reluctant to browse the >> list archives by hand, and desire the contents of a single thread to be >> delivered to them, without sending mail to each of its participants and >> thereby disclosing their e-mail addresses. > > I imagine that it might be a large number of people, > actually. Possibly larger than the number of active participants on > this list, maybe even by an order or a magnitude (Emacs has more > users). > > Who would at least like to read-browse-follow some of our discussions > without fully subscribing to the lists or interjecting into the > threads. And are loath to read the archives off lists.gnu.org or Gmane? Again, where are the statistics? I'm inclined to believe that the number of such individuals is actually minuscule, since this problem was not mentioned by one of _them_, but by the two of you, both regulars on this list with a penchant for conjecturing on behalf of others.