From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ihor Radchenko Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 09:04:54 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1fs75mx.fsf@localhost> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> <83msw8n43r.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 11:04:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvDKY-0005GW-QS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:04:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvDJo-0000Au-JM; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 05:03:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvDJl-0008WH-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 05:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvDJi-0000Y2-6I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 05:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2ACD240101 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:03:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1698138191; bh=RNoYeR9j2mHtXPZ38cRhpaZebP9XJoDypMMESmh3KPY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=UAbvPtlIvJY10BypJOZYlzr93UA9zy+/SaC0Iq4LWYhc9pdQbgqglv7Iv8CSsqZaj ZmFoOH+lbzqzWVQhOqHENibYd+T0gTs4TXlkh8HRW0s8J9/Wu7wnZ7dUruDnUUWSYC HfSzxn3Cn4V186soO3uhg0EHFHdS/mXbu3eZXAnWNRvYxVyp0CAoR5EeMnxdH8c5kY Bj1nBzFa8F+rxboDGfji7kLrxRhd4pgOIwZ1P3u2UjnOkVCLpoN1MDFfAziIBGysak ilkQTpk2MnibHXF0Bx6fHifoVfCPHqJj6w1tMeB1O9xz3fRuto9zRTVc1lzaKYY8+1 NTDGuBz7I8YmA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4SF5gg17dsz6tmv; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:03:11 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311760 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Introduction of symbols that are not needed. > > Sure, but that's rather subjective. One could also argue that it is a > good thing to have certain symbols available immediately, for example > because they are typically needed. Could it be customizeable somehow? I have seen articles using portable dumper to pre-load more libraries, but it was rather cumbersome and fragile exercise. It might be of interest for people interested in reducing the startup time to have a command like M-x dump-emacs-using-already-loaded-built-in-libraries. That way, users can pre-load the libraries that will be loaded anyway. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at