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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 239a1774ecdfde2379de2fd0c1636e03; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:34:43 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <063e35f8-5920-4899-8b48-2a86c524b70e@gutov.dev> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:56:46 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22046 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.200; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic301-31.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315537 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > It's an order of a magnitude more involved than 'M-x list-packages' > followed by C-s. And installing Emacs was no doubt several orders of magnitude more so. > Through Google -- maybe. This assessment of our users' problem-solving capabilities is not the correct attitude to take in developing Emacs, or any software that is not expressly designed for such individuals, as from it the logical conclusion to draw is that there is no value in documentation itself. How would they learn of the existence of the package list, for instance, or where to click and what to type to display it? > Because its title is a good match for whatever the user would search > for? What would they search for, BTW? The emails in this thread contain every word present in the package list summary, so presumably the same words they would search for within the package list; but that was meant as a rhetorical statement, not to be taken literally. > You renamed the package to visual-wrap, so perhaps the term "visual" > could help (instead of "smart"?). Not really. The room available in package descriptions is inadequate: descriptions are more helpful than a list of keywords, which is the best that can be hoped in that limited space. > There's also a mistake in the description now: visual-fill-mode does > not exist. Thanks. > The issue is not reading a particular NEWS entry, but finding it. There are none so blind as those who will not venture to see. But fortunately for us, incorrigibly blind (in this sense) individuals are far and few between.