From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding a generic mathematical library Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:20:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87y15jbb1s.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <87o76ik616.fsf@gmail.com> <87wml6e4v0.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36248"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ic/k8Xna2WirV7QF0UBy1CP0NUI= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 30 13:00:57 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sYkbA-00098v-IZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:00:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sYkb4-0006YN-Mu; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sYhAI-0007Zj-D4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 03:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sYhAG-0001OK-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 03:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sYhAE-0008QE-NF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:20:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:00:49 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322209 Archived-At: Christopher Dimech wrote: >> It seems to me that writing a generic mathematical library >> is not very hard, but writing a good one requires a lot of >> experience and understanding of how suc a library could be >> used. The obvious solutions are clunky, but what makes for >> a good kibrary is a solution that is elegant. > > The distinction between a good library (easy to understand > and maintain) and a merely functional one. How things are > named, how parameters are structured, and how different > components interact, is what determines its utility and > adoption. We need to see an actual application with it. The distinction is between discussing things and pretending to do so. Remember, this is not obvious to many, maybe most people. When they later realize they have taken part in a mock discussion that didn't have a real purpose - they are not going to respond well to that. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal