From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thanos Apollo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 05:48:37 +0300 Message-ID: <87y12wwu4a.fsf@thanosapollo.org> References: <874j5ql4pd.fsf@posteo.net> <87a5fdhlyg.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87wmih6xa7.fsf@posteo.net> <877cahxffi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <878qux57rn.fsf@posteo.net> <871q0px78r.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87ldyw3jf3.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29570"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juan Manuel =?utf-8?Q?Mac=C3=ADas?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 04:49:37 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1syjFB-0007YJ-EK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 04:49:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syjEL-0004fl-RK; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:48:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syjEK-0004fd-7k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.forwardemail.net ([149.28.215.223]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syjEI-0003Di-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:48:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thanosapollo.org; h=Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-ID: Date: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Cc: To: From; q=dns/txt; s=fe-4dbabb00f3; t=1728528517; bh=2HFWDlsm6OudP3zMLwt3edyaIqUe60i1b3wiS7aluQc=; b=mpmZAj9nTpNPqPaY/CuKjmeG1IVIBI4wDrAgScR17U/6zqjeZ/jHVRqkYmY0gqxemS3Om1wWZ YZVO/dzxPW+/VUOC1tYeEhixd+6mzngCg0vfj8SdCQatz4JUI66bKyGKIfysHMT9vuUMsBTyoQL XYWw10cnHkcUEsIkocZf//Y= In-Reply-To: <87ldyw3jf3.fsf@posteo.net> X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-Report-Abuse: abuse@forwardemail.net Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@forwardemail.net X-ForwardEmail-Version: 0.4.40 X-ForwardEmail-Sender: rfc822; public@thanosapollo.org, smtp.forwardemail.net, 149.28.215.223 X-ForwardEmail-ID: 67074069bb13301bfc1bf1c1 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=149.28.215.223; envelope-from=SRS0=1109=RG=thanosapollo.org=public@fe-bounces.thanosapollo.org; helo=smtp.forwardemail.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324461 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: [...] > I will answer these two questions in general terms, because everything > depends on each person's field of study (in addition, now I am not > dedicated to active philology, but rather to editorial production and > translation). Some archaic letters are necessary in certain texts. To > give a simple example, Sappho's poems are edited with the digamma to > note the sound of the semivowel /w/, a sound present in the Lesbian > dialect. In editions of papyracean fragments, the lunate sigma is used, > since many times it cannot be determined whether a sigma is in the > middle or final position. Etc. But If you study Aristotle (for example) > you will not need to use those characters in your workflow. Interesting, most of the work that I'm familiar with is with Aristotle, early Roman period (Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius), Eastern Roman Empire, (Procopius, Agathias, Anna Komnene) plus the Gospels & Septuagint. The only time ligature letters are used are to represent numbers, such as the number of the beast in the Gospels (=CF=87=CE=BE=CF=9B) using stigma (= =CF=9B) for 6. One could code =CF=83=CF=84 to become =CF=9B, but this is not an expected b= ehavior in current keyboards. Maybe this could be done by having a greek-polytonic-ligatures variable that can be either nil or t? After switching to Arabic numerals (~11th century) Greek does not use ligature letters, they are considered calligraphy-like letters and stigma =CF=9B is considered the same as =CF=83=CF=84. You will find the sa= me text written with either or, depending on the publisher & the font they prefer. A classic example case for this is Adamantios Korais biographies, such as for Hippocrates, which you can find using =CF=9B or = =CF=83=CF=84 depending on the publisher, both considered just as historically accurate, kinda like using =CF=92 or =CE=A5. If anyone has any ideas on how to implement ligature letters I'm all ears. In most Greek keyboards you'd use a modifier key (which we can't in quail) for them and they are really, really uncommon, especially today. =2D-=20 Thanos Apollo https://thanosapollo.org --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJMBAEBCAA2FiEEYrdY0PZxmTi8Cc7KM59zbDpyCSgFAmcHQIUYHHB1YmxpY0B0 aGFub3NhcG9sbG8ub3JnAAoJEDOfc2w6cgkorIQP/0n484gdP/hlSHcfxcP/lO1g o3PMJAVpVOl6eyizpYquyL/PuaTSN+R8cg191g3gEyxkyjPK43UVUiu7tGqucmLf fhxcjqEL0p7q7PR1UwCCQi3szYVVUHfD/vSuNPbQng9D7XEoMVNSOVZi34h/apYG O0kNr3GndAoWtGOc4O7wTrROF3LaJdifM/pdbXJ9cLFCkX5d4HZUZsUvSa5Vkhik uQ48WuKoXQnmd08G+DOsY1yAOqon/9sOnpbBVCCQD2L0Yid2G2GKv1W4kUV8HMj3 nn5N/XHdBkpw2imV5sdH/121q4nxmGqfrGz+0yE7tkJ1HDzEGtBO5Q4JT5g88+Is yb41jM5GZHWyIAGqTVI8QKsIeRR5KKddBAUhog8s/upeCh5gdA+UkQC1RWNusRJq 0WRiipPlo1BpG3RCymBPrNn/rYyabrfblbZypss1IUnRYVj+RgHrMqHy1WE7tl4a NJjuYwqQdbVoxe8hiaMscdNluEaxt8evFG1lXxQ6t1fbh8PcjFAjClIVJXUb4xtv WJiLEL+lt6J/HUZ5UZB8JS92qFCddCnHr5MLkdyhm1CI0bx/Q2ao9zWHGRypJM00 lD6zGriSVmZ4r2H2eBnT8Zk+kc3az8FQV6/Wp+Dxk8EeExvjetwUefI7XN4DOVDB TfGLPcwFuTtpTgXTS+++ =ecIy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--