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From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org, Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2024 23:15:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y10qprvr.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tK9dp-0007XH-D6@fencepost.gnu.org>

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Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

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> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > > It would also make sense to make the Emacs manuals available for easy
>   > > download, as distributions like Debian do not include these by default.
>
> How about if we make ALL the GNU manuals available in one place
> as .deb packages, for the same of people with Debian-nased distros?
>
> What is the emacs-common-non-dfsg package?
>

(I'm not an official Debian Developer, but below are public knowledge in
the Debian community so hopefully I'm not giving incorrect information)

TL;DR: The Emacs documentation is under GFDL with an invariant section,
which is not considered compliant to Debian Free Software Guideline
(DFSG), so its documentation is split into a separate
emacs-common-non-dfsg[1] package and is only available in the "non-free"
section.

Longer story: According to one of Debian's General Resolutions[2], the
GNU Free Document License with an invariant section is considered too
restrictive and hence does not meet Debian's standards for free
software.  Therefore, documents under such licenses needs to be under
the "non-free" section, which is not enabled by default.  As a result,
many Emacs packages under GFDL with an invariant section that are
packaged in Debian have their documentation either removed or put in a
separate package in the "non-free" section.  Examples including Emacs[3]
(with emacs-common-non-dfsg split to the non-free section), compat[4],
dash[5], org-mode[6] (with org-mode-doc[7] split to the non-free
section), etc.  Note that their version numbers have "+dfsg" in it,
because the source packages included in Debian are modified by removing
the non-free part - documents.

As a quick overview for package sections: Debian packages are split into
several main sections: main, contrib, non-free, and recently
non-free-firmware.  "main" (and recently "non-free-firmware") is enabled
by default when installing Debian, and user can choose to enable
"contrib" and "non-free" later.  "non-free" section contains packages
that are under a license that is not DFSG-compliant (see [8] for more
detailed description), "contrib" is for packages that are DFSG-compliant
but depend on packages in the "non-free" section.  "non-free-firmware"[9]
is for firmware packages which are "non-free" but required for running
Debian in certain hardware, especially in recent hardware, and hence are
available during installation.

> -- 
> Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
> Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
> Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
> Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
>
>
>

[1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs-common-non-dfsg
[2] https://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
[3] https://packages.debian.org/sid/emacs
[4] https://packages.debian.org/sid/elpa-compat
[5] https://packages.debian.org/sid/elpa-dash
[6] https://packages.debian.org/sid/elpa-org
[7] https://packages.debian.org/sid/org-mode-doc
[8] https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#the-non-free-archive-area
[9] https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003

-- 
Regards,
Xiyue Deng

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-08  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02  3:00             ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  2:51                 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  4:56                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05  7:45                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06  4:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01  9:53         ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54             ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04         ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04  6:09           ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  4:02   ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  8:36       ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13           ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  7:25         ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  7:46           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  8:52             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05  9:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  9:49                 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28                     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39                         ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15  8:26                             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08  8:13                           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08  8:38                             ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10  1:08                                 ` James Thomas
     [not found]                               ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  4:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54                                   ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                   ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 10:06             ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  4:58           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11  4:35               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:10   ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03       ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05  5:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30               ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  5:03           ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35               ` chad
2024-12-06  4:57               ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58             ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08  5:15               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08  7:15                 ` Xiyue Deng [this message]
2024-12-08 16:50                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12  3:22                     ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02         ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
     [not found]           ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52             ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07  4:22           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15  6:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16  4:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07     ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02       ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08  5:10       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11         ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11  4:37           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13             ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2024-12-13 23:41             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11  4:32           ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff

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