sending mail with gnus

sending mail with gnus

[gfp]

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Hi,

now I tried to send an email with gnus:
------------------------------------------------------------
The debugger said:

  Emacs is about to send an email message, but it has not been
  configured for sending email.  To tell Emacs how to send email:

  - Type ‘mail client’ to start your default email client and
    pass it the message text.

  - Type ‘smtp’ to send mail directly to an "outgoing mail" server.
    (Emacs may prompt you for SMTP settings).

  Emacs will record your selection and will use it thereafter.
  To change it later, customize the option ‘send-mail-function’.


and
Wrong type argument; listp, mailclient-send-it
--------------------------------------------------------------

My gnus.el:

  Reply to mails with matching email address
(setq gnus-posting-styles
       '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
        ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465 
gottfried@posteo.de")))


in the gnus manual it says:
;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465 
gottfried@posteo.de")

but it doesn´t work as well.

I guess there is some code missing.

thanks for help

Gottfried

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Re: sending mail with gnus

[gfp]

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Hi,
an additional info:

this comes up, when I try to send a mail:

  Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2025 15:00:24 +0100
Message-ID: <87cygxcsnb.fsf@Tuxedo.mail-host-address-is-not-set>

My host is:

gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1       localhost       Tuxedo
::1     localhost       Tuxedo

how can I put that into my gnus.el?

thanks

Gottfried


Am 08.01.25 um 14:22 schrieb gfp:
> Hi,
> 
> now I tried to send an email with gnus:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> The debugger said:
> 
>   Emacs is about to send an email message, but it has not been
>   configured for sending email.  To tell Emacs how to send email:
> 
>   - Type ‘mail client’ to start your default email client and
>     pass it the message text.
> 
>   - Type ‘smtp’ to send mail directly to an "outgoing mail" server.
>     (Emacs may prompt you for SMTP settings).
> 
>   Emacs will record your selection and will use it thereafter.
>   To change it later, customize the option ‘send-mail-function’.
> 
> 
> and
> Wrong type argument; listp, mailclient-send-it
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> My gnus.el:
> 
>   Reply to mails with matching email address
> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>        '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>         ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465 
> gottfried@posteo.de")))
> 
> 
> in the gnus manual it says:
> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465 
> gottfried@posteo.de")
> 
> but it doesn´t work as well.
> 
> I guess there is some code missing.
> 
> thanks for help
> 
> Gottfried




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Re: sending mail with gnus

[Leo Butler]

On Wed, Jan 08 2025, gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> now I tried to send an email with gnus:
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> The debugger said:
>
>  Emacs is about to send an email message, but it has not been
>  configured for sending email.  To tell Emacs how to send email:
>
>  - Type ‘mail client’ to start your default email client and
>    pass it the message text.
>
>  - Type ‘smtp’ to send mail directly to an "outgoing mail" server.
>    (Emacs may prompt you for SMTP settings).
>
>  Emacs will record your selection and will use it thereafter.
>  To change it later, customize the option ‘send-mail-function’.
>
>
> and
> Wrong type argument; listp, mailclient-send-it
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My gnus.el:
>
>  Reply to mails with matching email address
> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>       '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>        ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465
>        gottfried@posteo.de")))

I don't think that this is correct. See the examples in the Gnus manual:

(info "(gnus) Posting Styles")

[You can evaluate that sexp in Gnus/Emacs by placing point at the right
and typing the keychords C-x C-e. It will take you to the appropriate
part of the Gnus manual.]

Leo

>
>
> in the gnus manual it says:
> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>                  465 gottfried@posteo.de")
>
> but it doesn´t work as well.
>
> I guess there is some code missing.
>
> thanks for help
>
> Gottfried
>
>

-- 
---
Best regards,
Dr Butler

Re: sending mail with gnus

[Michael Heerdegen via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:

> in the gnus manual it says:
> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>                  465 gottfried@posteo.de")

Really?  How comes that your private mail address appears in the Gnus
manual? ;-)

To be more honest, I think something's wrong there.  Should the
`smtpmail-default-smtp-server' not be bound to a, well, a server name
like "smtp.yourProvider.net"?  Port and user name should be specified
using `smtpmail-smtp-service' and `smtpmail-smtp-user' as far as I
understand.


Michael.

Re: sending mail with gnus

[Arash Esbati]

gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:

> My gnus.el:
>
>  Reply to mails with matching email address
> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>       '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>        ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465
>        gottfried@posteo.de")))
>
>
> in the gnus manual it says:
> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>                  465 gottfried@posteo.de")
>
> but it doesn´t work as well.

I don't use posteo, but I think the following snippets should get you
going:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;; ~/.gnus
(setq gnus-parameters
      '((".*"
         (posting-style
          (name "gfp")
          (address "gottfried@posteo.de")
          ;; ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp posteo.de 465")
          ))))

(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
      smtpmail-smtp-service 465)

;; ~/.authinfo
machine posteo.de port 465 login gottfried@posteo.de password PASSWORD
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Note that I like to use `gnus-parameters' as one-stop shop for setting
all parameters for my groups, incl. the posting style.

Best, Arash

Re: sending mail with gnus

[gfp]

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Hi Arash,

thanks for your help.
I appreciate that very much.

1.
How do you do this? to get this line:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

2.
I fiddled around for many hours today to get gnus SMTP working
and to my own great astonishment
I just managed it some seconds before I got your email.

my gnus.el:
;; get emails
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
       '((nnimap "posteo"
                 (nnimap-address "posteo.de")
                 (nnnimap-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
                 (nnimap-authenticator login)
                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
                 (nnimap-server-port 993))))

;; Reply emails
(setq gnus-posting-styles
       '((smtpmail-smtp-service)
         (smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.posteo.de")
	(smtpmail-smtp-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
         (smtpmail-smtp-port 465)))


So I don´t need your help at the moment. But I will keep it as record, 
in case I need it.

Interestingly even I changed my /.authinfo file into /.authinfo.gpg
it worked.

I am happy,
but unfortunately it takes many hours
to set up every small step in Emacs and Gnus.

Further questions will arise...


Kind regards

Gottfried



Am 08.01.25 um 21:53 schrieb Arash Esbati:
> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:
> 
>> My gnus.el:
>>
>>   Reply to mails with matching email address
>> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>>        '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>>         ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465
>>         gottfried@posteo.de")))
>>
>>
>> in the gnus manual it says:
>> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>>                   465 gottfried@posteo.de")
>>
>> but it doesn´t work as well.
> 
> I don't use posteo, but I think the following snippets should get you
> going:
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ;; ~/.gnus
> (setq gnus-parameters
>        '((".*"
>           (posting-style
>            (name "gfp")
>            (address "gottfried@posteo.de")
>            ;; ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp posteo.de 465")
>            ))))
> 
> (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>        smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
>        smtpmail-smtp-service 465)
> 
> ;; ~/.authinfo
> machine posteo.de port 465 login gottfried@posteo.de password PASSWORD
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> Note that I like to use `gnus-parameters' as one-stop shop for setting
> all parameters for my groups, incl. the posting style.
> 
> Best, Arash


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Re: sending mail with gnus

[Arash Esbati]

gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:

> thanks for your help.
> I appreciate that very much.

You're welcome.

> 1.
> How do you do this? to get this line:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

I mark a region when writing a message and hit 'C-c M-m':

,----[ C-h k C-c M-m ]
| C-c M-m runs the command message-mark-inserted-region (found in
| message-mode-map), which is an interactive native-comp-function in
| ‘message.el’.
| 
| It is bound to C-c M-m.
| 
| (message-mark-inserted-region BEG END &optional VERBATIM)
| 
| Inferred type: (function (t t &optional t) t)
| 
| Mark some region in the current article with enclosing tags.
| See ‘message-mark-insert-begin’ and ‘message-mark-insert-end’.
| If VERBATIM, use slrn style verbatim marks ("#v+" and "#v-").
| 
`----

> 2.
> I fiddled around for many hours today to get gnus SMTP working
> and to my own great astonishment
> I just managed it some seconds before I got your email.
>
> my gnus.el:
> ;; get emails
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '((nnimap "posteo"
>                 (nnimap-address "posteo.de")
>                 (nnnimap-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>                 (nnimap-authenticator login)
>                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
>                 (nnimap-server-port 993))))
>
> ;; Reply emails
> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>       '((smtpmail-smtp-service)
>         (smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.posteo.de")
> 	(smtpmail-smtp-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>         (smtpmail-smtp-port 465)))

And I'm astonished that it works with the code above for
`gnus-posting-styles', compare your code with the description in the
manual[1].  Well, when it works for you, it works.

> So I don´t need your help at the moment. But I will keep it as record,
> in case I need it.
>
> Interestingly even I changed my /.authinfo file into /.authinfo.gpg
> it worked.
>
> I am happy,
> but unfortunately it takes many hours
> to set up every small step in Emacs and Gnus.

I agree, it takes time at the beginning, so I can urge you to read the
manuals carefully and try to solve one issue after the other.

Best, Arash

Footnotes:
[1]  https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/gnus.html#Posting-Styles

Re: sending mail with gnus

[Leo Butler]

On Wed, Jan 08 2025, gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:

> Hi Arash,
>
> thanks for your help.
> I appreciate that very much.
>
> 1.
> How do you do this? to get this line:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>
> 2.
> I fiddled around for many hours today to get gnus SMTP working
> and to my own great astonishment
> I just managed it some seconds before I got your email.

How did you send this email? This email that I am replying to does not
have a User-Agent set in the headers. You can check the headers of the
other emails, they all have some variation on:

User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)

(In Gnus, in the message buffer, type t to show the headers).

Leo

>
> my gnus.el:
> ;; get emails
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '((nnimap "posteo"
>                 (nnimap-address "posteo.de")
>                 (nnnimap-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>                 (nnimap-authenticator login)
>                 (nnimap-stream ssl)
>                 (nnimap-server-port 993))))
>
> ;; Reply emails
> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>       '((smtpmail-smtp-service)
>         (smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.posteo.de")
> 	(smtpmail-smtp-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>         (smtpmail-smtp-port 465)))
>
>
> So I don´t need your help at the moment. But I will keep it as record,
> in case I need it.
>
> Interestingly even I changed my /.authinfo file into /.authinfo.gpg
> it worked.
>
> I am happy,
> but unfortunately it takes many hours
> to set up every small step in Emacs and Gnus.
>
> Further questions will arise...
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Gottfried
>
>
>
> Am 08.01.25 um 21:53 schrieb Arash Esbati:
>> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:
>> 
>>> My gnus.el:
>>>
>>>   Reply to mails with matching email address
>>> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>>>        '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>>>         ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465
>>>         gottfried@posteo.de")))
>>>
>>>
>>> in the gnus manual it says:
>>> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>>> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>>>                   465 gottfried@posteo.de")
>>>
>>> but it doesn´t work as well.
>> I don't use posteo, but I think the following snippets should get
>> you
>> going:
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> ;; ~/.gnus
>> (setq gnus-parameters
>>        '((".*"
>>           (posting-style
>>            (name "gfp")
>>            (address "gottfried@posteo.de")
>>            ;; ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp posteo.de 465")
>>            ))))
>> (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>>        smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
>>        smtpmail-smtp-service 465)
>> ;; ~/.authinfo
>> machine posteo.de port 465 login gottfried@posteo.de password PASSWORD
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> Note that I like to use `gnus-parameters' as one-stop shop for
>> setting
>> all parameters for my groups, incl. the posting style.
>> Best, Arash
>
>

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---
Best regards,
Dr Butler

Re: sending mail with gnus

[gfp]

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Hi Leo,

> How did you send this email? This email that I am replying to does not
>> have a User-Agent set in the headers. You can check the headers of the
>> other emails, they all have some variation on:
>> 
>> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)
>> 
>> (In Gnus, in the message buffer, type t to show the headers).

I am not sure what you mean exactly.

I didn´t send this email with gnus
but with Thunderbird.
May be that solves the question.

Gottfried



Am 09.01.25 um 04:30 schrieb Leo Butler:
> On Wed, Jan 08 2025, gfp <gfp@posteo.at> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Arash,
>>
>> thanks for your help.
>> I appreciate that very much.
>>
>> 1.
>> How do you do this? to get this line:
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>>
>> 2.
>> I fiddled around for many hours today to get gnus SMTP working
>> and to my own great astonishment
>> I just managed it some seconds before I got your email.
> 
> How did you send this email? This email that I am replying to does not
> have a User-Agent set in the headers. You can check the headers of the
> other emails, they all have some variation on:
> 
> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)
> 
> (In Gnus, in the message buffer, type t to show the headers).
> 
> Leo
> 
>>
>> my gnus.el:
>> ;; get emails
>> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>>        '((nnimap "posteo"
>>                  (nnimap-address "posteo.de")
>>                  (nnnimap-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>>                  (nnimap-authenticator login)
>>                  (nnimap-stream ssl)
>>                  (nnimap-server-port 993))))
>>
>> ;; Reply emails
>> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>>        '((smtpmail-smtp-service)
>>          (smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.posteo.de")
>> 	(smtpmail-smtp-user "gottfried@posteo.de")
>>          (smtpmail-smtp-port 465)))
>>
>>
>> So I don´t need your help at the moment. But I will keep it as record,
>> in case I need it.
>>
>> Interestingly even I changed my /.authinfo file into /.authinfo.gpg
>> it worked.
>>
>> I am happy,
>> but unfortunately it takes many hours
>> to set up every small step in Emacs and Gnus.
>>
>> Further questions will arise...
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Gottfried
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 08.01.25 um 21:53 schrieb Arash Esbati:
>>> gfp <gfp@posteo.at> writes:
>>>
>>>> My gnus.el:
>>>>
>>>>    Reply to mails with matching email address
>>>> (setq gnus-posting-styles
>>>>         '((address "gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>")
>>>>          ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp Posteo-posteo.de 465
>>>>          gottfried@posteo.de")))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in the gnus manual it says:
>>>> ;(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>>>> ;                smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp Posteo-posteo.de
>>>>                    465 gottfried@posteo.de")
>>>>
>>>> but it doesn´t work as well.
>>> I don't use posteo, but I think the following snippets should get
>>> you
>>> going:
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>>> ;; ~/.gnus
>>> (setq gnus-parameters
>>>         '((".*"
>>>            (posting-style
>>>             (name "gfp")
>>>             (address "gottfried@posteo.de")
>>>             ;; ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp posteo.de 465")
>>>             ))))
>>> (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
>>>         smtpmail-smtp-server "posteo.de"
>>>         smtpmail-smtp-service 465)
>>> ;; ~/.authinfo
>>> machine posteo.de port 465 login gottfried@posteo.de password PASSWORD
>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>>> Note that I like to use `gnus-parameters' as one-stop shop for
>>> setting
>>> all parameters for my groups, incl. the posting style.
>>> Best, Arash
>>


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