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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology
Date: 21 Dec 2002 09:13:52 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wum4w7nj.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1mr8ceoypu.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE

Fredrik Staxeng <fstx+u@update.uu.se> writes:
> >Those seem like pretty reasonable ideas; in more concrete form, perhaps
> >they could be added to the GNU programming standards or something.
> 
> I think that right thing is a gnu-install program. This would be
> called from install targets in the makefiles. It would log the
> files installed, and then you could do gnu-uninstall emacs.

The GNU coding standards in general do not presume any external
non-standard dependencies -- that is, everything they say can
theoretically be accomplished given only the package in question -- and
specify _what_ you should do rather than the mechanism by which you
should do it.

So certain package might want to use a `gnu-install' program that does
the book-keeping for them to meet the coding standards, but they'd have
to have their own copy of that program in their distribution (though
they needn't actually use it if their configure script detects a native
version).  Other packages may choose to simply do it another way.

It might be useful for users to have a `gnu-uninstall' program, but such
a thing should be an optional additional package that uses the basic
information provided by each package, as specified by coding standards.

> I think that undo logic has to be derived automatically. Manually
> writing things like that too error-prone, especially if they need 
> ongoing maintenance.

That's true, and maybe this would mean that most packages would end up
using a standard `gnu-install' program/script -- but it should be up to
the package to decide.

-Miles
-- 
`...the Soviet Union was sliding in to an economic collapse so comprehensive
 that in the end its factories produced not goods but bads: finished products
 less valuable than the raw materials they were made from.'  [The Economist]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-21  0:13 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found] ` <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com>
     [not found]   ` <x5k7ipl35x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2002-12-06 11:14     ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27       ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28         ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52       ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30           ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07  7:53               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49                       ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21                         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23                           ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Ajanta
2002-12-10 17:31                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48                               ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59                                 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                             ` <101220021416559254\x04%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found]                               ` <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-11 18:29                                 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12  3:51                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49                                         ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30                                           ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  9:03                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 16:02                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13 16:36                                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:59                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:41                                                     ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 19:42                                                   ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 23:09                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:05                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:49                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:21                                             ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 21:16                                               ` Anil
2002-12-13  8:56                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 11:24                                                 ` Francis Burton
2002-12-16 16:04                                                 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 21:52                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-16 21:02                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  5:55                                                       ` Anil
2002-12-20 15:51                                                         ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17  9:41                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 17:34                                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 17:55                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 22:14                                                           ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-18  6:22                                                           ` Jonathon Isaac Swiderski
2002-12-18  8:51                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:54                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:19                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 19:31                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-16 21:59                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-17  9:54                                                   ` jdf23
2002-12-20 16:01                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13  8:54                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:53                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-16 15:59                                               ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17 18:29                                                 ` Ajanta
     [not found]                                                   ` <ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-17 18:29                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-24  0:05                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-17 22:24                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:32                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:22                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 14:16                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 14:44                                                           ` Fredrik Staxeng
     [not found]                                                             ` <fstx+u@update.uu.se>
2002-12-19 15:36                                                               ` Peter S Galbraith
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.420.1040313026.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-19 16:47                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-19 21:13                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-21  0:17                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-20 22:19                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader [this message]
2002-12-21 12:31                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22  2:54                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46                                                                   ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 21:14                                                           ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38                                                             ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 19:06                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:51                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 20:44                                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:14                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:55                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.464.1040400348.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 19:09                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:27                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:24                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21  2:32                                                               ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-21 12:50                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-20 15:41                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:44                                                         ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:38                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.343.1040149880.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-17 22:33                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-17 23:17                                                       ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:34                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:20                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-19  7:47                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:36                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:01                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:34                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:58                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-24  6:24                                                           ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-26 18:20                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-27  3:14                                                               ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27  4:35                                                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                 ` <mailman.637.1040963855.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-27 12:48                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27 15:39                                                                     ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-28  2:49                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-28 13:54                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 14:11                                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-31 20:08                                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-27 17:36                                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-28  1:02                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 11:07                                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-28 13:44                                                                       ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-28 13:49                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-31 20:05                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:32                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 16:00                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                       ` <ams@kemisten.nu>
2002-12-20 20:00                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 20:25                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-20 20:34                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 21:01                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.482.1040418304.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 21:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-20 21:59                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:25                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-21 15:55                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.498.1040486166.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-21 16:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-12 23:14                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:11                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11                                         ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 20:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 23:02                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:29                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-13 10:12                                                 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.179.1039743000.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-13 19:11                                                   ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  0:33                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27                                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28                                             ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:30                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49                                     ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12  4:44                                       ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12  4:58                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  6:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50                                         ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39                                           ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:35                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10  5:23             ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10  8:29               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07  8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
2002-12-07  9:35   ` David Kastrup

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