From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dieter Wilhelm Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs manual mentioning thumbs mode but not tumme Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:55:27 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <87wt0frzs0.fsf@debby.local.net> References: <87slb8szz9.fsf@debby.local.net> <17947.65334.841905.101671@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17949.22877.645175.478069@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17950.43941.498605.877229@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <876481t7mu.fsf@debby.local.net> <7dbe73ed0704130201n1c365d4cy9635c1e84886a710@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1176548160 25235 80.91.229.12 (14 Apr 2007 10:56:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Mathias Dahl" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 14 12:55:54 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hcfv8-0007r5-15 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:55:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcfzU-0008UQ-Us for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:00:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HcfzR-0008UB-6p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HcfzP-0008Tz-JA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:00:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HcfzP-0008Tw-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 07:00:19 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hcfv0-0007F2-7E; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [84.167.10.53] (helo=debby.local.net) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML31I-1Hcfuw2G7a-0005xl; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:55:43 +0200 Original-Received: from dieter by debby.local.net with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hcfuh-0001Jk-Mw; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:55:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: <7dbe73ed0704130201n1c365d4cy9635c1e84886a710@mail.gmail.com> (Mathias Dahl's message of "Fri\, 13 Apr 2007 11\:01\:28 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.95 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ffzN0kbxEWzLOpdPHCm91dJF+1ntUfknIM4o It4AwfyRUsWm/4uVApYVJP1wGyYPzfeC2c1CdYiehl64JrpjYY ckXBDrgB4S0EFUC1avflw0UWYyYEsPE X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69426 Archived-At: "Mathias Dahl" writes: Hi Mathias, thanks for answering and for tumme (of course). >> The point for retaining thumbs is that one can't please everybody with >> one approach. >> ... >> From a user's perspective I think offering choice >> outstrips every other disadvantage concerning maintainability, >> consistency, etc. > > That might be true in many situations. However, Thumbs and Tumme are > very similar, feature-wise. There are some differences in how things > are implemented which I do not think is very important. > I also think that the differences aren't *very* important. ... > >> There might be users who dislike tumme's name and >> "unnecessary overhead" and ... > ... > don't think they were very good ones. The name, for example, could be > changed. We could have an alias called `thumbs' which would call That would be a good idea. ... > Anyway, my main point is that it feels like a waste of resources to > keep both packages. The packages are very similar so I don't buy the > "choice" argument. The choice argument would be a better one if we > talked about the different MUAs, for example, which seems very > different in some cases. > I'll give you an example: I, personally, prefer the way tumme handles the images when the size is bigger than the display buffer, it fits the image to the buffer size. thumbs is displaying the image in the original resolution, I'm damn sure that there are users out there who would prefer it the thumbs' way. Well, I know that my arguments are weak because the packages are in a way similar (and tumme seems to cover ?all? abilities of thumbs). dieter@debby:/tmp$ wc thumbs.el tumme.el 819 2801 26311 thumbs.el 2599 9708 96740 tumme.el But then: So are your arguments for removing the packages 8-). thumbs.el is small and therefore would not eat lots of resources (I guess). -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany