From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pascal Bourguignon Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:56:19 +0200 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87wswpc0ks.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469A@Web.DE> <873aze3qtf.fsf@ambire.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185291638 27936 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 15:40:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 17:40:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDMV1-0005He-DF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:40:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDMV0-0007g4-SP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:40:34 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsserver.news.garr.it!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Trace: individual.net 4Wjr2k/i+8WVUTEWGtDcbQthDTvgxFrmC1429HfoXvwU68ZkBs Cancel-Lock: sha1:2+XQhgsVLQYSxenty0mxft+qwkM= sha1:QOvSwRuCSvpu8BsyJPIMaBu+WAc= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150385 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45979 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > On 24 juil. 07, at 21:54, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: >> i think it is unlikely we (the participants of this thread) can >> come up w/ a design as you suggest. > > I did not suggest much more than what already works in 99% of > software packages around the world. > >> why don't you propose something, after studying things a bit? >> then when people say "there are technical issues" you will know >> what they are talking about because you will have come to >> understand the (in)applicable techniques. > > No because the people who pretend that there are technical issues or > that "it is impossible" do not make sense in the first place. > > It is not the technical issues that are (not) discussed here, but the > mere idea of localizing emacs. > > I think it is more a psychological issue than a technical issue right > now. For example, people who had problems with localized software of all nature and from all aspects of the software (code, data, user interface, OS, file formats, user support, etc) and this for almost 30 years. One selling points of GUI (and I won't even try to explain here why GUI are bad, compared to CLI or just more textual interfaces like emacs'), is exactly that it _avoids_ localization, because graphics are more universal than text (even discounting the graphics that have to be localized). > It would be better if people who are not interested in localization > stop replying to this thread and let others discuss possibilities. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/ Wanna go outside. Oh, no! Help! I got outside! Let me back inside!