From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:15:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87wsuoqti2.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85d4wh3kf9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190103424 31769 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2007 08:17:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 10:17:03 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IXYGV-0006gR-3g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:17:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXYGT-0001AW-DP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXYGQ-0001AR-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:16:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXYGN-0001A3-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:16:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXYGM-0001A0-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:16:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ppp-93-39.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.39.93] helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IXYGK-0006a2-Em; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IXYF3-0003A2-Ai; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:15:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon\, 17 Sep 2007 18\:24\:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79181 Archived-At: () Richard Stallman () Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:24:22 -0400 Unfortunately, it isn't an exaggeration. You're taking a hostile tack which I consider unjust, so I will not give weight to whatever is based on it. You may as well not repeat it. a good hint is strong but oblique. if it is not strong, it is missed. if it is not oblique, it is refuted. here's another idea: startup-echo-area-message is displayed even w/ a FILE specified on the command line (iirc -- if not, we can make it do so again). so the mechanism to implement "always show the user a hint" can be extended like so: (global-set-key "\C-h\C-a" 'display-splash-screen) (defun startup-echo-area-message () (let ((fyi "For information about ") (gnu (if (eq (key-binding "\C-h\C-p") 'describe-project) "C-h C-p" (substitute-command-keys "\\[describe-project]"))) (emacs (if (eq (key-binding "\C-h\C-a") 'display-splash-screen) "C-h C-a" (substitute-command-keys "\\[display-splash-screen]"))) (type ", type ")) (concat fyi "the GNU system and GNU/Linux" type gnu ".\n" fyi "GNU Emacs" type emacs "."))) in this way we show contemporaneously the FILE to be edited as well as all the hints we wish to give. true, there are two lines in the echo area, which may disturb some people when the mode line moves down on keypress, but i think that's livable. thi