From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:28:46 +0100 Message-ID: <87wsnscktt.fsf@member.fsf.org> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206365363 1347 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 13:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:29:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 14:29:43 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jdmk8-0002va-Fr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:29:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdmjX-0004sV-9C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdmjM-0004nK-QO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JdmjK-0004k9-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JdmjJ-0004jW-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JdmjJ-0007Kd-8a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D33E1FD0 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:48 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: SvjO404pKa0MXVZm5Sn9V48/iKBmoQkiUBzud6qHbQ2f 1206365328 Original-Received: from localhost (dslb-084-063-036-053.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.63.36.53]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC6E72C5CC for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:55:10 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93299 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: Hi Alan, > I say, yet again, Transient Mark Mode is NOT a good default. It violates > the philosophy of Emacs in several ways: > (i) It's very complicated, certainly when compared with the elegant > simplicity of the classical Emacs mark. > (ii) It introduces "modal" behaviour (as in vi's insert/command mode) > into Emacs - many commands behave differently when the mark is active. > (iii) It's obtrusive; it's "in your face"; it will provoke the angry > reaction "how do I get rid of this #@!!ing thing!!!!!". For (ii) and (iii) you can set the mark and turing off TMM temporally with C-SPC C-SPC. So it's the exact opposite behavior of disabled TMM, where C-SPC C-SPC enables TMM temporally. I really like the new default, because most of the time I use marking to apply commands to the region, so the highlighting is a good thing. Only when I set a mark for navigation purposes, I set it with C-SPC C-SPC, so that the region highlighting doesn't distract me. Bye, Tassilo