From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs psychiatrist Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:42:21 +1100 Organization: Rapt Technologies Message-ID: <87wsnr6vpu.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> References: <47E30C9C.9030305@gmail.com> <8763vgtczh.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <47E3BD17.9060004@gmail.com> <877ifwrxgf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206438131 10242 80.91.229.12 (25 Mar 2008 09:42:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:42:11 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 10:42:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Je5fu-00062L-9Y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:42:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Je5fJ-0006G1-4l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:41:57 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!sn-xt-sjc-04!sn-xt-sjc-06!sn-xt-sjc-09!sn-post-sjc-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:gr2cKowlkMz7VZY2h3UuWQpJq08= Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 69 X-Original-Bytes: 4444 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:157308 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:52678 Archived-At: bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes: > "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > >> Bastien Guerry wrote: >>> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: >>> >>>> So I guess "just" prescribe is what happens in most cases. >>> >>> The fact that a doctor just prescribes some drugs doesn't prove he >>> is not also a psychoanalyst. >> >> No, but maybe that he is not also a good psychoanalysts. > > Psychoanalysis is a pseudoscience anyway. > Psychoanalysis is not even a pseudo science - no scientific methodology was applied. Psychoanalysis is another name for Freud's theories and analysis/treatment 'techniques'. These days, it has pretty much fallen out of favor. Issues of ethics and human experimentation make it very difficult for psychology to apply the same types of experimental rigor that most associate with science, but generally it does try to apply the principals of scientific rigor to experimental research. Things are complicated by the fact we still don't really know what concepts like 'mind' 'intelligence' 'emotion' etc really means and as we can't really define it in a universally acceptable way, we can't look at it, measure it, poke it or dissect it. To a large part, psychology is really statistics - its a best guess based on the collection of large amounts of data obtained via surveys, subjective observations and other data sources that are pushed through some statistical model which identifies some correlation. Frequent points of debate/arguement amongst psychologists tend to be based on statistical analysis and interpretation or application of statistical models rather than arguements regarding the underlying theory. This isn't to say there is just one theory or there aren't competing theories - just that this isn't where the debates tend to focus. Different schools of theory tend to just discount those schools they don't agree with, but within their school of choice, they tend to spend large amounts of time arguing about the statistics rather than the underlying theoretical constructs. Psychiatrists tend to be people with a medical degree who have also studied psychology. As they have a medical degree, they are able to prescribe drugs. Psychologists tend not to have a medical degree and therefore cannot prescribe drugs. As mentioned by someone else, psychiatrists may not actually have much training in psychology. Normally, you can become a psychologist by completing an undergraduate degree, but to practice as a clinical psychologist (i.e. be able to have and treat patients), you need to do some post graduate studies. To be a psychoanalyst you have to speak with a thick Austrian accent, look a bit like Einstein after a bad night and be obsessed with sexual disfunction that all stems from a desire to have sex with your mother/father. All problems stem from feelings of guilt and jealousy rgarding either your father's relationship/access to your mother or your mother's access/relationship to your father. Lying on a couch and talking about it provides lots of vicarious sexual pleasure for the therapist. One of Freud's treatment techniques, particularly for many of the women he use to see, was a nice relaxing genital massage, which apparently was quite popular with the sexually repressed women around in the late 1800s. Tim > -- -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au