From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Display-based word wrapping Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:37 +0900 Message-ID: <87wskgsyty.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87y74x9rfl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87prq9t2ya.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214185921 23708 80.91.229.12 (23 Jun 2008 01:52:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 23 03:52:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAbEZ-00058J-Fp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:52:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39207 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAbDk-0006LL-BP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAbDg-0006Jw-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAbDe-0006HC-4m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54504 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAbDd-0006Gx-V3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:45 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:48207) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAbDa-0005MF-3N; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:51:42 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.109.31.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.109.31] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KAbDW-0001Uz-EQ; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:38 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 98CE52F3A; Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:51:37 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:27:10 -0400") Original-Lines: 29 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99747 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Yes -- window width is very often the wrong thing to use. I want to be >> able to wrap at say 72 columns and not have to resize my window to >> achieve that effect. > > That's a separate feature. The same can be requested for char-wrapping > (and for line-truncation even). So let's drop this from this thread, > which is about word-wrapping. Well as long as it's available, I don't care how it's categorized. :-) But it is more important for word-wrapping, because AFAIUT, when word-wrapping is used, wrapping is "the norm" -- you expect there to be lots and lots of "wrapped" lines in normal text -- whereas the other wrapping modes emacs traditionally supports are "exceptional" -- normal text usually isn't expected to wrap, and if some does, it is a potential problem indicator. A similar argument applies to wrapping indicators: For traditional wrapping modes, it's Ok, and even useful, when wrapping indicators are quite noticeable, because they usually indicate an exceptional condition. But for word wrapping, wrapping is the normal case, so more care should be taken to make sure wrapping indicators [if any] are not annoying. -Miles -- If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. [George Carlin]