From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bzr switch Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:14:32 +0900 Message-ID: <87ws6uwmiv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87hby0rgs1.fsf@canonical.com> <87ws6wnlza.fsf@canonical.com> <87vdmfn1fv.fsf@canonical.com> <873a9iy5ke.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871vp2ehah.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1246324542 31344 80.91.229.12 (30 Jun 2009 01:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 30 03:15:35 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MLRwa-0001hQ-M6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:15:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39191 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MLRwZ-0005iP-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:15:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MLRvg-0004mJ-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MLRvb-0004c7-Tx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60768 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MLRvb-0004bu-QU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:49945) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MLRvZ-0006VN-Jb; Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7AA1537B4; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:14:27 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5C75F12827C; Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:14:32 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <871vp2ehah.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 5bbff3553494 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111826 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > > In the Bzr world, there's always something new coming up providing this > > > > and that performance improvement. So there's no point waiting for the > > > > next one, cause when the time is passed, you'll end up wanting to wait > > > > for the next next one, etc... ad nauseam. > > > > > > I understand what you mean, but This Time Is Different (or so I am told, > > > in no uncertain terms, by every Bazaar developer I talk to). > > > > Who are you talking to? The list traffic tells a very different story. > > Karl's reply had such a cynical tone that I wasn't really sure whether he > was agreeing or disagreeing with Stefan! Now that I reread it as I quoted him, I see your point! Unfortunately, it really is hard to tell given that both Mark and the users want format stability badly, and the developers *do* keep promising that This Time Is Different (specifically, that from now on they'll do a better job of keeping format changes out of the users' faces, and that they're over the performance hump). I think both of those are actually true -- but neither promise is going to be kept 100%, and (on historical form) the bzr.devs are not going to be able to resist the temptation to achieve performance improvements with format tweaks.