From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?windows-1252?Q?=D3scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: show whitespace problems by default in diff-mode Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87ws686nyz.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <200907162214.n6GMEo5o025706@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <873a8wryfj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200907170135.n6H1ZRW8029119@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <87k528ozem.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247797831 3024 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2009 02:30:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:30:31 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 17 04:30:24 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MRdDK-0004Zw-SL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:30:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55975 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRdDK-0003pw-39 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:30:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRdDG-0003pr-FO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:30:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MRdDB-0003pJ-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40764 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MRdDB-0003pG-0i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:38888 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MRdDA-0003ro-G9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:30:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MRdD5-0007Go-8N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:30:07 +0000 Original-Received: from 184.red-83-53-125.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([83.53.125.184]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:30:07 +0000 Original-Received: from ofv by 184.red-83-53-125.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:30:07 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 33 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.red-83-53-125.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UMWGCd6wCm+sgwdoxPOMW1AAWvM= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112593 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Dan Nicolaescu writes: >> > I guess, it's the same as with normal files: some people are very >> > concerned with whitespace problems, but many do not care; for the >> > latter, whitespace indication would simply be annoying noise. >> >> The question is if the latter outnumber the former. Given the amount >> of rumbling about trailing whitespace, and the number of scripts/tools >> etc. that deal with it, then I would say they don't... > > Huh? "The amount of rumbling"? You must be reading different dev lists > than I do, because I rarely see it even mentioned; the git list has a > higher number than usual, I'd wager, but otoh, the people there tend to > be much more fussy (aka pedantic) than usual about lots of things. > > There are clearly some people that really, really, care about it, and > they are indeed quite vocal -- but AFAICT, most people just don't care. It's not only about pedantry. The worst thing about trailing whitespace is that it tends to come and go while editing the file and when finally the changes are committed it creates noise on VCS diffs and is considered antisocial. This is why on some sites trailing whitespace is forbidden and people there would appreciate a method for easy detection and some tools for deletion. Maybe not changing the defaults, but some highly visible thing somewhere (a submenu item of Diff's menu, for instance) for activating an "anti-whitespace" group of tools and settings would be justified by the importance this features have for some users. -- Óscar