From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pjb@informatimago.com (Pascal J. Bourguignon) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Failing to see the allure of Emacs Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:47:50 +0100 Organization: Informatimago Message-ID: <87wrx5qu4p.fsf@galatea.lan.informatimago.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272996209 31075 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 18:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:03:29 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 20:03:29 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9MSu-0008Mw-Kd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:03:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9MSu-0007DA-3Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 14:03:28 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 85 Original-X-Trace: individual.net KqUkb/eVL7buiE24Dhcp3QJA2QS+vdYBISoe3UPDsXkFmV/ZJR Cancel-Lock: sha1:ZmUxN2FkNjU2YmU1OWVkYTUxMjYwM2U2NTU3MzkwZTIzMWU5NTRjMg== sha1:KE0p7jPzqrrzdbbwgruI2w9wZJU= Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAQMAAABtzGvEAAAABlBMVEUAAAD///+l2Z/dAAAA oElEQVR4nK3OsRHCMAwF0O8YQufUNIQRGIAja9CxSA55AxZgFO4coMgYrEDDQZWPIlNAjwq9 033pbOBPtbXuB6PKNBn5gZkhGa86Z4x2wE67O+06WxGD/HCOGR0deY3f9Ijwwt7rNGNf6Oac l/GuZTF1wFGKiYYHKSFAkjIo1b6sCYS1sVmFhhhahKQssRjRT90ITWUk6vvK3RsPGs+M1RuR mV+hO/VvFAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Accept-Language: fr, es, en X-Disabled: X-No-Archive: no User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.3 (darwin) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177520 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73016 Archived-At: Daniel writes: > So much of daily computing for anyone consists of: - pdfs M-! xpdf file.pdf & RET - word Just say no. (Ask for a pdf!) - excel Just say no. (Ask for a csv!) - documents What kind? - gmail M-x rmail M-x vm M-x mew M-x gnus - itunes M-x emms - file browsing M-x dired > So I still have to switch to the gui to do these things. If I've > still got to leave the emacs environment to do general computing > tasks, what is the productivity gain here? Indeed. > There are plugins, I know, > but I haven't explored those. Sure, in 48 hours, we don't expect you're Superman. It takes ten years to start to master emacs. > I've always been someone who reads the shortcuts built into something > like BBEdit or TextWrangler, Notepad ++, or Eclipse, so I am not sure > how much more productive I'll be. The most productivity gains you get in emacs is when you start programming it, to automate _your_ tasks. > Also, I'm a bit confused with regards to using dired to navigate files > vs just the bash shell, which I'm more familiar with. Well, it's the same difference as using the Finder vs. the shell, or using whatever they use on MS-Windows vs. the shell. I use the shell too, inside emacs. M-x shell > But again, did I expect too much out of emacs? So far I find it to be > about as good as BBEdit . It's a text editor but no more. I expected > emacs to be the one program that ruled them all. Again, the "rule them all" comes from the transmogrifying feature of emacs, that is, when you start to program your own emacs functions. But don't be in a hurry, it will take time to learn all the existing features, and to learn programming in emacs lisp to be able to write your own. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__