From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:39:25 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87pr07qjio.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <878w6vq7ew.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <871vcmhq79.fsf@wivenhoe.ul.ie> <580d5f23-e251-483f-9752-7e77b1ca2fb7@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <2a7dc148-e2cc-4681-9d8c-ccd1140aa6d7@j36g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291829104 30456 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 17:25:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 17:25:04 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 18:25:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNlC-0000Kf-1K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:24:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60666 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQNlB-0000HM-9u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:24:57 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed-fusi2.netcologne.de!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.musoftware.de!wum.musoftware.de!news.doubleslash.org!open-news-network.org!news.teledata-fn.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:lYFr+/Wgruow6/Dti53/LzTLL5E= Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 06 Jun 2010 11:39:28 CEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 52c8af53.newsspool1.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=OD; 292gOdP2nBOkdL^Lo7>ic==]BZ:af>4Fo<]lROoR1<`=YMgDjhg2?HICc^O2o811_LiI6ENVa=3>5MOK` List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75690 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > Coupled with these real technical issues, there are the attitudinal > problems of holier-than-thou, smarter-than-thou and modern-than-thou > and what have you. Everybody is free to join the discussions on the Emacs developer lists. Those who choose not to help with the work don't get to criticize the results. A common democratic principle. > In another part of this thread, we have also seen the astonishing idea > that the developers don't have to care about what the users > want/need. If that is the attitude that open source developers take, > then I will be the first to give up open source! An excellent idea. The Free Software Foundation cares principally about free software, not open source. Open source sports the notion of creating superior software by significantly different processes than common. Free software is based on the premise of empowering the recipient of software to change and adapting it according to his own needs. Pampering to the needs of users who are not interested in changing and adapting the software according to their needs is not a major priority. Feel free to fork any free software which does not behave like you want it: you have the power. You are not dependent on upstream developers. If you tie yourself to distribution channels that take this power from you effectively, you are doing it by choice. If you think you are in a suitable majority, tell your distribution channel to change the upstream decision for you if you don't feel like discussing this in a civilized manner on the developer discussion lists created for that purpose. -- David Kastrup