From: "Sébastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Behavior of Gnus when called from an hyperlink
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:59:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wrsoy5b2.fsf@mundaneum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87lj96k6xn.wl%dmaus@ictsoc.de
Hi David,
David Maus wrote:
> Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>> What would be your pieces of advice in such a case? Do I need to test
>> something extra? Get a local imap server? Others (like asking for fixing
>> the search on our Courier mail server)?
>
> Well, IMO there might be nothing to "fix" on the server side. Although a
> user might expect searches to be fast there is no directive in the specs
> about the fastness of the SEARCH command. This should of course not prevent
> you from dropping a mail to the IMAP server admins about your problem to at
> least point at this performance issue with large mailboxes.
>
> At the client side I asked myself why Gnus does not use the cached message.
> Some vague guesses:
>
>> I've checked the cache; in /home/sva/Mail/cache/nnimap+me:INBOX.work, I have a
>> copy of the linked email:
>
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 sva sva 1631 2010-06-28 14:09 28606
>
> Okay, Gnus caches the message but would have to search in all cached
> messages for the message id header. "28606" might be the UID of the message
> in the mailbox. To confirm this login manually and prefix the search command
> with "UID"
>
> ,----
> | 0x3 UID SEARCH HEADER "Message-ID" "871vbrxzo6.fsf-pwAqS3aGAJQybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org"
> `----
>
> If this search returns 28606 then we can assume that Gnus indeed caches by
> UID[1]. This means that Gnus needs to query the server what the UID of the
> message with a particular message id is and could than use the cache.
Your guess is right:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[sva@mundaneum] />nc -vv mail imap
Connection to mail 143 port [tcp/imap2] succeeded!
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS XMAGICTRASH] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2004 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information.
0x1 LOGIN "sva" "<not-displayed>"
0x1 OK LOGIN Ok.
0x2 SELECT INBOX.mc
* FLAGS ($MDNSent Junk gnus-save gnus-forward NonJunk $Forwarded \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen \Recent)
* OK [PERMANENTFLAGS ($MDNSent Junk gnus-save gnus-forward NonJunk $Forwarded \* \Draft \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Seen)] Limited
* 27084 EXISTS
* 0 RECENT
* OK [UIDVALIDITY 1097250695] Ok
* OK [MYRIGHTS "acdilrsw"] ACL
0x2 OK [READ-WRITE] Ok
0x3 UID SEARCH HEADER "Message-ID" "871vbrxzo6.fsf-pwAqS3aGAJQybS5Ee8rs3A@public.gmane.org"
* SEARCH 28606
0x3 OK SEARCH done.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> This is the point where I conclude that there can't be done anything about
> it except modifying Gnus' cache mechanism.[2]
Do you think that would happen? Are there people aware of this, and willing
to do such a change?
Problem is I focused on Gnus for 5 years, after a careful election of the
program I would invest time in -- by reading a lot of blogs and comments on
the Web. I think I'm too bound to it now, to give a try to WL. Or you should
really insist a lot ;-)
> So the fall back would be: Not to keep everything in the IMAP mailbox but
> expire old messages to a local folder. Here I have rule that says:
> Everything older than 180 days is moved from IMAP inbox to a local archive
> folder. The implications are, of course, that links to messages older than
> 180 days break. To mitigate this I use Namazu[3] to index my local archives
> and in case I need to follow such a broken Org link I could open the link by
> performing a search for the message-id first[4].
It seems WL is better suited for this. Your solution with 180 days is a nice
work around, but I fear its impacts -- having broken links.
> In the case of Gnus we might modify org-gnus-open to, say, perform a mairix
> search for the message id if called with prefix and open the message in the
> search result folder.
Would I have to invest time on looking at mairix possibilities?
Will/Would someone work on your proposed workaround?
Thanks a lot for your help (addressed to you, and Nick, Tassilo, Bernt, in
particular for this topic),
Seb
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Sébastien Vauban
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Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-28 9:38 Behavior of Gnus when called from an hyperlink Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-28 10:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-06-28 11:36 ` Leo
2010-06-28 11:49 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-28 12:47 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-06-28 13:57 ` Greg Troxel
2010-06-28 19:44 ` [PATCH] Add customization for WL in `org-link-frame-setup' David Maus
2010-06-29 4:42 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-28 19:44 ` [PATCH] Add customization option to open WL links in other frame David Maus
2010-06-30 10:12 ` Behavior of Gnus when called from an hyperlink Noorul Islam K M
2010-07-02 4:44 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-07-02 8:21 ` Leo
2010-07-02 8:21 ` Bastien
2010-07-02 11:59 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-06-28 12:05 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-28 12:51 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-28 14:39 ` Nick Dokos
2010-06-28 14:51 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-28 15:19 ` Nick Dokos
2010-06-28 18:32 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-15 21:27 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-16 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-16 11:39 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-16 18:11 ` Nick Dokos
2010-07-16 19:23 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-16 19:51 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-17 7:18 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-17 16:02 ` Nick Dokos
2010-07-17 19:59 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-17 20:49 ` Nick Dokos
2010-07-17 21:34 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-17 22:15 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-19 8:11 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-19 12:02 ` David Maus
2010-07-19 20:37 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-20 6:23 ` David Maus
2010-07-21 19:59 ` Sébastien Vauban [this message]
2010-07-22 12:31 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-26 13:17 ` David Maus
2010-07-26 15:12 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-26 18:47 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-27 6:45 ` Fixing slowness of following Gnus links to IMAP articles (was: Behavior of Gnus when called from an hyperlink) Tassilo Horn
2010-07-27 20:27 ` David Maus
2010-07-27 21:18 ` Nick Dokos
2010-07-28 6:50 ` Fixing slowness of following Gnus links to IMAP articles Tassilo Horn
2010-07-29 7:33 ` David Maus
2010-07-29 18:06 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-30 20:03 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-08-15 18:52 ` David Maus
2010-09-08 15:09 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-09-08 19:08 ` David Maus
2010-09-08 21:42 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-09-09 12:19 ` David Maus
2010-10-01 0:53 ` Matt Lundin
2010-10-11 18:33 ` David Maus
2010-08-01 8:38 ` David Maus
2010-07-28 6:36 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-31 8:34 ` Patchwork: Patch 176 Accepted Bastien Guerry
2010-07-31 18:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-31 23:52 ` Bastien
2010-08-03 8:01 ` Fixing slowness of following Gnus links to IMAP articles Sébastien Vauban
2010-08-05 18:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-20 11:50 ` Behavior of Gnus when called from an hyperlink Tassilo Horn
2010-07-21 19:28 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-20 12:08 ` Bernt Hansen
2010-07-20 16:11 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-21 19:38 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-22 12:29 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-22 13:51 ` Matt Lundin
2010-07-22 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-22 19:21 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-22 20:11 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-23 8:54 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2010-07-23 10:40 ` Tassilo Horn
2010-07-24 22:32 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-21 19:33 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-07-21 23:30 ` Bernt Hansen
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