From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:17:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wr96p4ab.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1Rigu5-0004nQ-Il@fencepost.gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
[snip]
>> I could say that your real-world experience distributing, installing
>> and supporting software across heterogenous environments looks quite
>> limited, but I'll rather suppose that you were very lucky so far.
>
> You can call 7 years of safe use on 4 different machines luck if you
> want. I call it discipline and following safe practices.
Wait a minute. You are basing the points you so vehemently defend on
just personal experience with your own machines? Does that make sense at
all? Do you think that people is so disciplined and knowledgeable (and
lucky!) as you and that makes all the problems you don't have to become
irrelevant for Emacs?
That last paragraph of yours speaks tons about our different stances on
this issue. It is my direct responsability to keep my software up and
running for hundreds of users across dozens of sites and configurations
on machines I don't control, quite a few of them playing a critical
role, and deal with bug reports from tens of thousands of users
more. Acting as if the experience I gather from my desktop were enough
to set the bar for the rest of world would be so foolish that I would be
out of bussiness and sued after the three first months. Maybe Emacs
doesn't need so much careful thinking as mission-critical software does,
but basing design decissions onto very limited personal experiences
looks quite wrong too.
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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 0:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 1:33 ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 1:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 2:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 2:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 3:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 4:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 0:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 6:48 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 3:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 5:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37 ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:40 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 0:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 2:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 2:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 7:04 ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47 ` chad
2012-01-04 23:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14 ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06 0:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:05 ` chad
2012-01-06 1:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 1:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 2:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 3:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 3:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 4:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 5:49 ` chad
2012-01-06 7:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 3:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07 9:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 1:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 5:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 3:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06 3:37 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07 2:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 5:40 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 1:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30 ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 1:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:54 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10 2:34 ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 2:43 ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10 3:01 ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48 ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 0:57 ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 5:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49 ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08 7:40 ` GnuTLS for W32 Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-08 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 0:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03 ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05 5:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2012-01-05 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14 ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 9:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32 ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 6:55 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06 ` Carsten Mattner
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