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From: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Yann Hodique <yann.hodique@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:51:05 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wr4km9fa.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878vh0rz75.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Thu, 10 May 2012 21:35:26 +0900")

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:
>  > Only [Gnus] we can fix. So in any case, I don't believe we can
>  > ever afford not to emit the text/plain alternative for dumb (yet
>  > potentially even conformant) MUAs.
>
> Maybe.
>
> But given that we know that Gmail deliberately goes out of its way
> to suck in our community (eg, encouraging top-posting, which has its
> place but it ain't here[1]), I don't really think we should consider
> problems with Gmail an argument against using standard constructs.
> If Thunderbird or nmh or mutt has issues or
> whatever-the-GNOMEish-MUA-is does, that's another matter.

That doesn't make any sense at all.... Gmail doesn't "go out of it's
way to suck in our community" any more than any other popular mail
client does; AFAICT, its main sin is that they too readily follow bad
examples set by _other_ popular mail MUAs...  [Top-posting being the
obvious example:  annoying may it be, it's pretty much the way things
are done everywhere except the hardcore ye-olde-unix-users community;
people _expect_ it.]

Gmail is representive of "the unwashed wider world", although it's far
better than many other common examples of such.  Much of the fancy
cool stuff Gnus does correctly is badly supported _everywhere_, not
just by gmail.  So while I think it's silly to ignore gmail, because
it's vastly more popular than Gnus, if you still want to for whatever
reason, it _still_ seems a bad idea to ignore the general class of
mail clients it represents....

I think that basically, unless you _know_ that most of your readership
is using Gnus or some other client that properly handles all these
funny cases, you have to be kind of conservative in what you send.

It sucks I suppose, but whatever.  To be honest, correct font-locking
of Emacs lisp is such a fringe issue that it's hard to care very
much...

-miles

-- 
We live, as we dream -- alone....



  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-05-10 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-05  6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  8:16   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05  8:39     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05  8:54       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 15:10           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Antoine Levitt
2012-05-05 15:57             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07  2:25                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  6:23                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07  9:37                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07  8:57                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07  9:46                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07  5:44             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08  4:08                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08  7:37                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09  1:23                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  0:47                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09  3:50                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10  7:44                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:28                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:59                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 12:35                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51                                           ` Miles Bader [this message]
2012-05-15  3:30                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15  3:56                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  9:02                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15  3:52                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-16 14:00                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  4:45                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09  6:28                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09  9:30                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08  0:20                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10  0:56                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17                                 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21                                   ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07  2:21                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  9:56                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29   ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06  0:08     ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06  2:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06  6:00     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15  6:40       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14  3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14  4:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09     ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59           ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16  2:05             ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier

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