From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thorsten Jolitz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What's an even easier explanation how to setup gnus ... Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:44:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87wqmzjvly.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378122335 6500 80.91.229.3 (2 Sep 2013 11:45:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 11:45:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 02 13:45:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZc-00012L-FB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:45:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38912 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZc-0004tk-4v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:45:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZH-0004r9-T0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:45:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZB-0002tR-TV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:45:15 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZB-0002t2-O0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:45:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGSZA-0000ma-5l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:45:08 +0200 Original-Received: from g231111236.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.231.111.236]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:45:08 +0200 Original-Received: from tjolitz by g231111236.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:45:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: g231111236.adsl.alicedsl.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wN3OW19T3HyO5xDmzNdDVXJgjJ0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93190 Archived-At: Glen Stark writes: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:41:51 +0200, Thorsten Jolitz wrote: > >>>> ,------------------------------------------------------------------- | >>>> Buy some Apple product, e.g. an iPad, and never ever touch Emacs nor >>>> Gnus. >>>> `------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Please do not promote proprietary software on gnu.* newsgroups. >> >> I did not mean to promote proprietary software, I just reported some >> empirical evidence from real life: I witnessed first hand how this >> famous fancy proprietary hardware/software product was adapted by a >> group of 70+ year old people that never had anything to do with >> computers, and how it spread joy and excitement among them, how they >> told all their friends and family members who all bought it too, and how >> quick this flat fancy tablet made them part of the modern world of >> communication and information. Thats REAL usability, proprietary or not. > > I feel compelled to point out that your original post did not report any > evidence for anything, it gave facetious advice. > > Your advice was to recommend the use of non-free software to people over > free-software. This is the very definition of promoting proprietary > software. While you are free to do this, it's pretty rude to do so on a > gnu.* newsgroup, as Stefan pointed out. > > In your justification for your post you related an anecdote, which might > qualify as anecdotal evidence, but certainly doesn't qualify as empirical > evidence. None of which is at all relevant to either the question posed > in the original post, nor to the purpose of the gnu.* newsgroups which is > (indirectly) to make the modern world a little more free, not bring more > people into an unfree world. Please don't feel compelled, I don't think that thread was meant so seriously (including my post). But if you want to expose your grandparents to the world of computers for the very first time, and you love them more than you love RMS, maybe you should consider my anecdotal evidence ... -- cheers, Thorsten