From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rasmus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:12:01 +0100 Message-ID: <87wqk5bbri.fsf@pank.iue.private> References: <8761rrigqe.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1384812744 18913 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2013 22:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 22:12:24 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 18 23:12:29 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3U-00071a-0m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:12:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46116 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3T-0000kO-FV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:12:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59105) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3L-0000j6-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:12:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3G-0001tk-MN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:12:19 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:46873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3G-0001te-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 17:12:14 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ViX3E-0006vl-WC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:12:13 +0100 Original-Received: from ip-pool-141.iue.it ([192.167.90.141]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:12:12 +0100 Original-Received: from rasmus by ip-pool-141.iue.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2013 23:12:12 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 103 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-pool-141.iue.it Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAAM1BMVEX+/v7R0dG0tLT+3+CO jo4vLy8FBQVQUFD8jpD9z9D4CAj9sbL6PkD6TU75LzH7b3Fvb2/6qUImAAAACXBIWXMAAABIAAAA SABGyWs+AAACF0lEQVRIx9VV25akIAwEksjNC///tZMQpEHtnj67T8ODoqZCqlKgMf8yrHMW+ILf Amhpw/dXEKLen+LdGb/Q+SqmlIIxeU1b/AYAexJElms6bgB4lQTQ4rf0GneEtUXCnTP50Phoavbj 2J8RWhXft5QhpBSVRuZbSErnokADRK0h13dhq7fcESEPRSljJau6BBgUY7Hg2B9KykxXA0PoH3Mj Hy4AkkhoeeNIVBErXAGjCsf5tXacF57je0k9Pr+SV0ox3mWlV4rYyj2E8Pbo13mFoxkkVNngjf/I nk8qeNx3FTq/A3RvrRWVKvHwAdCFSRFYF+UBZyOncFfNh2hf3u551zsHWKYdV62w9rRb+rCBltrs Ne2DC9btWdNxx001bA+cvcQS77unY+P5GLC68cyfHbb4glh8pSzz0ubvRjlVtUNP7DcAZwx+A3BL O/pQW1K78gsLialWojaBzwCxXxFn8IR4kTIYmQdYtA7hAkBiAC9VRoBqUPz88+AhjLkUy5zdCFAN 0C+XY0hWkEDZSHYEQBE9rCxU3OUPIdmlLGgAV0rhuiu9cjNyS+OJK20AmjpDd1md7tRyBWhr8C6r O0MaANtRZZ9WMGekWMLPCsrjZQmL4iZva07NjDh2AnA2VzMfyTfvJvMh1cJQf7FXgFSLM0C9WGg2 sBN3CtNCBFbtR93IPLifnsiP/2kW6sTLZDo/4P/28w9J9xg9IdcehQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:I20u3VpsJ2c8wea/REBDS6yiZSg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165346 Archived-At: Hi, Christopher Allan Webber writes: > PS: As much as I love to use org-mode to generate ODTs, it's not the > same thing. I still get ODTs from people, and I have no way of editing > those without converting it back... I'd like just a way to collaborate > there in emacs :) What if you could import ODT as Org? Richard Stallman writes: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > > 25 years ago I hoped we would extend Emacs to do WYSIWG word > > processing. That is why we added text properties and variable width > > fonts. However, more features are still needed to achieve this. > > > > Could people please start working on the features that are needed? > > 1. What would you recommend as the backend format? > > It would be good to support several, including some use of HTML, ODF, and > maybe Texinfo. On the *export side* these are all supported by Org. There's no import though. Converting from, say, odt to Org might be more effectively implemented on the Libreoffice side though that would add extra dependencies. > I don't know how to use Org mode, and don't know what it does (it > seems to do so many things), Here's a simple document with *bold* and /italic/. #+TITLE: Doc-0 #+AUTHOR: Rasmus * section my *first* /document/ which can be exported to html, LaTeX, odt, texinfo, groff, . . .. > but if it displays through Emacs then > there are many formatting features that it can't display in a WYSIWYG > fashion like Libre Office. It does support tables, images, LaTeX equations, Greek letters, different faces for headings/bold/.../ etc. Richard Stallman writes: > I use TeX to write a manual, and also when I want to send a nicely formatted > letter; but I wish I could do the latter WYSIWYG in Emacs. Personally, I would have a hard time typesetting a letter in Libreoffice. How do I get the address in the right spot, and how do I typeset my own address above and in a smaller type? This is how you'd typeset a letter in Org using ox-koma-letter.el ¹. A letter typeset with Groff would be very similar though the tags (e.g. :from:) are slightly different. #+DATE: <2013-06-01 Sat> #+AUTHOR: Rasmus * this is my SUBJECT here's the contents * FROM :from: Rasmus in Org-mode Emacs * PS :ps: here's a PS * ENCL :encl: these documents are included 1. doc1 2. doc2 * CC :cc: who will be informed - Marie - Peter > But there are so many people who don't use Emacs or TeX. They use > WYSIWYG word processors only. I wish we could make Emacs easy for > them to use, so they could get the benefit of Emacs's other advantages > while doing their word processing. This is a valid point and goal. The reason why my coauthors tolerate the initial weirdness of Emacs *is* that we work in Org. –Rasmus Footnotes: ¹ http://orgmode.org/cgit.cgi/org-mode.git/tree/contrib/lisp/ox-koma-letter.el