From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: participation & contribution [was: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail] Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:17:12 +0530 Message-ID: <87wqjqts1b.fsf@gmail.com> References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org> <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385786941 17486 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2013 04:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions , Dani Moncayo To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 05:49:06 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VmcUL-0008L4-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 05:49:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50865 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmcUL-0005dk-0i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:49:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51178) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmcUD-0005UJ-BO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmcU8-0004n5-Eb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:48:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pd0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22e]:65025) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmcU8-0004my-7V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 23:48:52 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y13so14675070pdi.5 for ; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:48:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=/pWm4vpkUD9uTJzA9qHmWK4oaLooLzE+1Ob0O8/n0Uc=; b=A0f/wrzkijQc5OgVrw67b9twXxT1qo0JH/9MpHqKxTevs+rCYL4f8ePy9seaHqmqk3 a4fh696Sy4rdC8lCAdbbkfGY4dmdB1+68mEHpm+zKOAhy4pkAJnCEiIHZ/wPjeW0L8wB zG3lJuhhulTJ46ti/z4NKuPE6eVRbryzAquac4vwZzYqOE6ILBTz1bWgg/YhqCdgTk7A pdIsLs0NpcMM7gQkSGGkEz2zNGuajsO9GIxCsLHUMLMc7jinZgKAi4eso6zoZn6Zol6N iWdYOKr3Y46JV1UcHLNZD7Wmz1GTX1YCkL28uYWb4iuBGPrCr+J51cwz5J/lZRUTiS49 Tmug== X-Received: by 10.66.179.143 with SMTP id dg15mr55833540pac.52.1385786931139; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:48:51 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.142.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sy10sm120138675pac.15.2013.11.29.20.48.48 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Nov 2013 20:48:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:37:19 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165919 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> 1. A user that provides feedback/bug reports is valuable, even if he >> doesn't submit patches. >> >> 2. A user that also submit patches is even more valuable, even if he >> doesn't commit them. >> >> 3. A user that also commit his patches is even (a little) more valuable. >> >> Currently I'm at level 2. It's better than nothing, isn't it? > > +1, for drawing attention to the worth of #1 and #2. I am in agreement with what Drew writes. To add to that... Submit a patch move on. Adding a note, that someone else commit it is just .... Surely, no one is under any obligation to commit or accept the patch. Similarly, insisting that people use Bzr or Commit their Patch can be an exhortation, a minor form of persuasion - not quite unlike the "commit my patch". The other party is under no obligation. Once you realize that you are working (together?) with "No Obligation", "No Incentives" or "No Punishments" scenario, the activity itself can take on more meaning and focus can shift to just the activity (whatever that may be) ---------------------------------------------------------------- There are two autonomous entities dancing together. Dancing - the footwork - is difficult. Loosely-coupled bodies trying to create a graceful movement. The perils of a wrong move - The twisted ligaments and an occasional cramp - These are all painful, instructive or atleast entertainment-worthy. Just laugh, shrug or curse. Pick separate ways or walk together. ----------------------------------------------------------------