From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: obarray Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:55:42 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87wqj6pva0.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87haabq6gl.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87bo0irj13.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387083611 7270 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2013 05:00:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 05:00:11 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 06:00:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs3oO-0005G2-Ay for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:00:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49710 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs3oO-0005Dh-2A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 00:00:16 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 26 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:/Bnfr+H1j/LyJlibOXLGyjkFTXU= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:202734 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95004 Archived-At: Barry Margolin writes: > Values are unrelated to whether a symbol is in the > obarray. An uninterned symbol can have a value. OK. > (setq uninterned-symbol (make-symbol "foo")) > (setf (symbol-value uninterned-symbol) 'bar) That looks backward. It looks like you are setting the value (i.e. data) to 'bar. But `symbol-value' returns not only the data for practical purposes, but the *place* of the data (and those are the same)? > This symbol "foo" won't be in the obarray, but it > still has a value. To me, with the defun I wrote in the beginning of this thread, I *do* get uninterned-symbol, and that should only look in obarray - also, the value seems to be not 'bar, but "foo" (?). -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573