From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Heerdegen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: obarray Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:15:35 +0100 Message-ID: <87wqj6d4hk.fsf@web.de> References: <87haabq6gl.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87bo0irj13.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87r49epukc.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387088170 12113 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2013 06:16:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 06:16:10 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 15 07:16:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zv-0003Vq-PL for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:16:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49876 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zv-00067g-AG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:16:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58417) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zf-000679-Ky for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:16:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zZ-000361-R5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:15:59 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:45679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zZ-00035x-Jy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 01:15:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vs4zY-0003Kv-B6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:15:52 +0100 Original-Received: from ip-90-186-77-134.web.vodafone.de ([90.186.77.134]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:15:52 +0100 Original-Received: from michael_heerdegen by ip-90-186-77-134.web.vodafone.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 07:15:52 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-90-186-77-134.web.vodafone.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:O0jbJuNEt1AHP6/+MM5t64Cq9Cw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95012 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > The last line easier without cl'ish setf: > > > > (set uninterned-symbol 'bar) > > CL or not, I get the same situation (what I can see), > the symbol *does* end up in obarray, and that second > part (setf or set) - what is that supposed to do? What > I can see it doesn't change the value, (symbol-value uninterned-symbol) ==> bar Note that we are not speaking about the symbol uninterned-symbol, which is in obarray, but about its value, which is another symbol that is not in obarray, has name "foo", and now a value of bar. We made that uninterned symbol the value of another interned symbol because we can't refer to an uninterned symbol directly in a program. > either with my defun or describe-variable (which I trust more), I get > the argument to make-symbol. Sorry, I didn't follow this part. Regards, Michael.