From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16007: admin/charsets/mule-charsets.el requires old Emacs version Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:49:09 +0900 Message-ID: <87wqijw3u2.fsf@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388627406 14615 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2014 01:50:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 01:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16007@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 02 02:50:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQJ-0007HR-RX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 02:50:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQJ-0006vh-E4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52223) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQF-0006tL-Px for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQB-0002cr-N0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42856) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQB-0002cH-Jz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXQA-0007Ju-V2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Kenichi Handa Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 01:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16007 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16007-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16007.138862735928067 (code B ref 16007); Thu, 02 Jan 2014 01:50:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16007) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2014 01:49:19 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56875 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXPT-0007Ic-Dg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:49:19 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42391) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXPQ-0007IT-DU for 16007@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:49:17 -0500 Original-Received: from i114-191-149-116.s41.a040.ap.plala.or.jp ([114.191.149.116]:62836 helo=shatin) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXPP-0003Xt-3V; Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:49:15 -0500 Original-Received: from handa by shatin with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VyXPJ-0008Qf-QE; Thu, 02 Jan 2014 10:49:09 +0900 In-Reply-To: <83iou3zo1o.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 01 Jan 2014 18:04:19 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:82808 Archived-At: In article <83iou3zo1o.fsf@gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii writes: > > If you agree, I'll delete mule-charset.el and add proper > > information to admin/charsets/mapfiles/README. > I'm not sure we can distribute generated files without the programs > that generated them. They are not "generated files" in the same sence as, for instance, PTCP154 is not a "generated file". The files etc/charsets/MULE-*.map can not be generated without an external source, and, in this case, that external source is the ucs-tables.el in Emacs 22. That situation is the same as that etc/charsets/PTCP154.map can not be generated without the external source http://www.iana.org/assignments/charset-reg/PTCP154. I don't know how http://www.iana.org/assignments/charset-reg/PTCP154 is generated and don't have a program to generate it. Of course they both (and all othere charset maps) can be generated if we have a running Emacs, but we don't have a program to generate all of them. > And even if we could, deleting a file because we > don't want to maintain it sounds too drastic to me. mule-charset.el is not what to be maintained. It was once used to generate MULE-*.map from Emacs 22. It has already finished the main role. The only remaining role is to tell peaple the origin of those map files as written in admin/charsets/mapfiles/README: ------------------------------------------------------------ * MULE-*.map.gz Created by using ../mule-charsets.el in Emacs 22 as this: % emacs-22 -batch -l ../mule-charsets.el ------------------------------------------------------------ > Why is it a problem to make changes in mule-charsets.el so that it > could work both with Emacs 22 and with the latest versions of Emacs? Because we don't have a reasonable explanation why we have that file and keep it runnable with the latest Emacs. > What do we lose if we make such a change in mule-charsets.el? We will waste a time of future maintainers who must keep that file runnable with the latest Emacs. It's a waste because such an effort yields nothing. --- Kenichi Handa handa@gnu.org