From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: enable MELPA & Marmalade by defaul [was: mykie.el] Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 06:55:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87wqi9y77q.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> References: <87bnzshlo5.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87bnzshlo5.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <20140103.200846.1574807089640559527.cokesboy@gmail.com> <87a9f8g22x.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <76f5b9cd-3452-4189-b3a0-30dc55a3ee55@default> <87wqic65kj.fsf@wanadoo.es> <874n5gfvjv.fsf@mac.com> <93a2d060-c7f8-4ce3-9bff-f7397be690ff@default> <874n5fhn1j.fsf@schjetne.se> <87eh4izr0o.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <8761pus6k7.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <86txddluzn.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389305534 27735 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2014 22:12:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andy Moreton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 09 23:12:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Npp-0003Aa-UC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:12:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Npo-0005Y9-Sc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48722) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1Npf-0005Xx-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:12:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NpW-0001Hy-LP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:12:07 -0500 Original-Received: from static.17.66.46.78.clients.your-server.de ([78.46.66.17]:60098 helo=po1.ferrier.me.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W1NpW-0001HW-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 17:11:58 -0500 Original-Received: from nicferrier-dell-xps (unknown [94.246.89.150]) by po1.ferrier.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B7236AC00F7; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:25:29 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from nicferrier-dell-xps (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nicferrier-dell-xps (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36832BC00B4; Thu, 9 Jan 2014 06:55:54 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: <86txddluzn.fsf@gmail.com> (Andy Moreton's message of "Thu, 09 Jan 2014 03:00:44 +0000") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.46.66.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167984 Archived-At: Andy Moreton writes: > On Wed 08 Jan 2014, Achim Gratz wrote: > >> Nic Ferrier writes: >>> I said earlier in this thread that I thought recommending a package >>> archive other than ELPA was a very bad idea. The licence issue is just >>> one reason. >> >> Currently, if multiple package archives offer the same packages, then >> the archive offering the highest version number wins (which is always >> MELPA, based on how they construct their version numbers). All other >> issues aside, a user would reasonably expect that an installed package >> should not switch archives on updates automatically and that it is >> possible to specify which archive is considered a valid source (in >> general and for specific packages). > > With multiple independent package archives, packages with the same name > are not necessarily related in any way at all. This means that packages > names should be qualified by the archive they were installed from. I don't agree with that. With your proposal we would be moving away from the very simple but effective system we have now into much more complex territory. As can be seen from package stores like Debian, some people want to upgrade a package from different stores and some people want to pin. It's not as easy as just being able to say "let's do it only one way". But again, we're getting away from the point. The point was should Emacs distribute a pointer to Marmalade or MELPA. I reiterate that as the maintainer of Marmalade, I don't think it is. Nic Ferrier