From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87wq5jddzq.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <871tnrevk6.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419254018 11527 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2014 13:13:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs-Devel devel To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 22 14:13:31 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32ni-00004x-Bz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:13:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40594 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32nh-0002eb-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32nU-0002dY-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32nT-0004WN-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:16 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51695) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32nT-0004WJ-1v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:15 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58870 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y32nS-0001aA-0U; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 08:13:14 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA9D1E0515; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:13:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2014 13:23:06 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180484 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:08 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >>>> Lennart Borgman writes: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Google: "site:www.gnu.org/software/emacs/24.2/manual/ some thing" >>>> >>>> A truly horrible search to type, of course. >>> >>> ;-) -- You do not do that, normally. Two alternatives: >>> >>> 1. You open an equivalent URL. From within Emacs for example. Or from >>> a web page. >>> 2. You create a Google CSE. Works very well upto 200 documents (and >>> perhaps a few hundred more.) >> >> The LilyPond manual pages have a search box that works like the first >> option, I think. > > Do you have a link to that on the web? > > >> Against using a clear text search or the index in Info, it sucks really, >> really, really bad. Part of the problem is that followup >> searches/refinements pretty fast end up on some other page. > > I can't see how that can happen. Shrug. Try the page . Enter into the Search box on the left "ly:context-property". You get to some Google search page and the original page is left. The Google search terms include a site restriction, but if you do something like C-a in order to overtype the search term, of course you land somewhere else. >> Part of the problem is that, well, searching for something on a huge >> page that is actually already loaded works not all that well anyway, >> but then you may end up on the split version, too. > > I do not understand how that relates to what we are talking about here. Search engines suck for navigating some document you already have open in your browser. And that's what is touted as the way to make everything easier. -- David Kastrup