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From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: no empty (zero) string predicate in Elisp
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 06:06:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wq0zild3.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.1626.1430016741.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> Both for fundamental reasons, cardinals are built from a zero and a
>> successor relationship, therefore a predicate for zero is not stupid,
>> and a 1+ function neither;
>
> I know that you can model natural numbers from 0 and successor, but
> Elisp integers have very little to do with it and are not encoded in
> this way, and there isn't much code around that looks at them this way.
> So, as much as I like this way to look at the world, I don't find it
> helpful for Elisp.

This is exactly what I'm pointing to!  If you want to consider how elisp
intgers are encoded on the native machine, then you definitely want a
zerop function, because there are BEQ and SEQ instructions.


>> and for optimization reasons on simplistic
>> compilers: the hardware usually HAS specific (and optimized)
>> instructions to test for zero and another to increment.
>
> C-h f zerop RET says:
>
>    zerop is a compiled Lisp function in `subr.el'.
>    [...]
>    This function has a compiler macro `zerop--anon-cmacro'.
>    
> and if you look at this mysterious zerop--anon-cmacro, you'll see that
> it optimizes `zerop' by rewriting it to (= 0 ...), which is implemented
> more efficiently.

Not in emacs-version "24.3.1"  where I produced the disassembly
provided.  But I'm happy to see it being optimized, this is one more
reason to keep it and use it.


-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-26  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-25  3:44 no empty (zero) string predicate in Elisp Emanuel Berg
2015-04-25  9:26 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-05-16  9:23   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-05-16 13:22     ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-05-16 13:28       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-05-16 13:36         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-05-16 13:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-16 16:17             ` Bozhidar Batsov
2015-05-16 13:43     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-05-16 15:27     ` Drew Adams
     [not found] ` <mailman.1583.1429954907.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-25 11:22   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-25 13:30 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] ` <mailman.1591.1429968677.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-25 14:48   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-26  2:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-27 10:28       ` zerop: compiler macro vs defsubst (was: no empty (zero) string predicate in Elisp) Nicolas Richard
2015-04-27 12:19         ` zerop: compiler macro vs defsubst Stefan Monnier
     [not found]     ` <mailman.1626.1430016741.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-26  4:06       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon [this message]
2015-04-26 21:25         ` no empty (zero) string predicate in Elisp Stefan Monnier
2015-04-26  4:26       ` Rusi
2015-04-26 12:36   ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-26 15:03     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-04-26 18:34       ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-26 18:59         ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1658.1430074770.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-26 19:06           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-26 20:11             ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1662.1430079142.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-27  1:00               ` Emanuel Berg
2015-04-26 17:28     ` Rusi
2015-04-26 18:39       ` Emanuel Berg

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