From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "... the window start at a meaningless point within a line." Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:46:57 +0200 Message-ID: <87wpumr16m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20150930204513.GA3174@acm.fritz.box> <83mvw39dp3.fsf@gnu.org> <20151001094138.GA2515@acm.fritz.box> <83h9maao7w.fsf@gnu.org> <20151001110204.GB2515@acm.fritz.box> <83egheaj9e.fsf@gnu.org> <20151015181642.GA6467@acm.fritz.box> <834mhr99e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20151016095535.GA2779@acm.fritz.box> <83wpun5d5u.fsf@gnu.org> <20151016151936.GB2779@acm.fritz.box> <83bnby67yn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445028508 27084 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2015 20:48:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 22:48:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBvH-0000JV-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:48:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55807 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBvH-0005h0-3M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBuu-0005gr-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:47:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBuq-00010c-9x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBuq-00010X-6a; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:47:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50776 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZnBtx-0002py-Lq; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 149ECEBEAB; Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:46:57 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83bnby67yn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:26:08 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191788 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:19:36 +0000 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Alan Mackenzie >>=20 >> > > There must be some bidi compatible order operators which express >> > > "earlier than" etc. I will be needing these. >>=20 >> > Define "earlier than". Is that on screen, i.e. in the visual order, >> > or in the buffer, i.e. in the logical order, a.k.a. "the order of >> > buffer positions"? These two orders are different for bidirectional >> > text. >>=20 >> I've no experience with bidi text, or even RTL text. Could you cite me >> an appropriate bidi or RTL file I could play around with, even though I >> couldn't read it. Would I need any special set up with (for example) >> fonts, or input methods? In fact, before asking you to answer these I >> should read the fine manual first. > > Just turn on the 'hebrew' input method and start typing. =D7=93=D7=95=D7=93 doesn't look all that different from L2R text. --=20 David Kastrup