From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Maintainers and contributors Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: <87wpuehgrn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87si59wj42.fsf@T420.taylan> <87a8ren5ys.fsf@T420.taylan> <56259BB1.3070908@cs.ucla.edu> <878u6ykmvt.fsf@T420.taylan> <87h9llvo98.fsf@members.fsf.org> <5626622A.3090707@yandex.ru> <87zizdijbp.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267302.7050606@yandex.ru> <87io61igyu.fsf@T420.taylan> <56267CDF.6010201@yandex.ru> <87wpuhh15s.fsf@T420.taylan> <562683B9.1060305@yandex.ru> <83y4exe71v.fsf@gnu.org> <87fv13xirw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5628D0D2.4050507@yandex.ru> <87bnbrxewt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d1w7szw2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445540503 28442 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2015 19:01:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 22 21:01:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpL79-0006PD-13 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:01:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33992 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpL77-00088L-QY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:01:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpL73-000889-Ik for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpL6y-0007Tr-1I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]:35584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpL6x-0007Tn-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:01:15 -0400 Original-Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so101492285iof.2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:01:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:references:reply-to:cc:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=MvOo6nkEkIDvsToukK19bMcgYStd2+kYWA2lTkqu4No=; b=Hk3m9ZcmkAvt9+mZJhZrHbds73eUmzjstBYgj+xoJqtcrnCetQdCo72rcSQ/obMGvC wZIKDYxfwurPI8zlcinrkCiIHbb4ERdmydFNa6a5CYUdtV5qTuZpiewNl67DCdospq4j rWpOES6hczHXl35coAsPb4ZjJmDLYBErkoHiZG8pHvOyyEEAujl2D7CEcGER0zUnDEZG kzbG/a8MxQ2/1l4M619jefUvYQIWSH/svNM/nzlpgSHG5KfazMiAvacCcUmCFtQYe9z2 821ZpOM4c4vtDGpGY23y+steV0zcQiv6ALOA6nBFumR3EpijYNhuLhBOdBmXA3R3POo8 xzNw== X-Received: by 10.107.39.85 with SMTP id n82mr17932413ion.14.1445540474971; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from vh213601 (vh213601.truman.edu. [150.243.162.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id kj5sm2197021igb.2.2015.10.22.12.01.13 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:01:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83d1w7szw2.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:10:05 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192420 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:32:02 +0200 >> Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel >> >> Maybe it would have helped if Eli had handed off the discussion >> completely to someone else at a point of time when it became obvious >> that things were going nowhere. > > I would consider it unfair to hand off such a "discussion" -- unfair > to the person to whom I'm handing it off. If someone wants that crown > of thorns, they should volunteer. Even then, if this became some sort of policy it seems that it might encourage potential contributors to avoid compromise and hope that someone else down the line will cede to the potential contributor's demands. > And even then, certain attacks of personal nature cannot be ignored or > left without a proper response.