From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Entering Unicode characters Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:59:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87wpqxbi4h.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <83twmkkv16.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453748405 12811 80.91.229.3 (25 Jan 2016 19:00:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andrew Hyatt , johnw@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 25 19:59:57 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aNmMl-0001Gc-MC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:59:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNmMh-000185-LB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:59:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNmMN-00014i-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:59:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNmMJ-0000MQ-6z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:59:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:33086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aNmMI-0000MB-V7; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:59:27 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082578B1355; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:59:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9cpEHCO1h97S; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:59:15 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.28]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A3B58B1351; Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:59:15 +0100 (CET) User-agent: mu4e 0.9.13; emacs 25.1.50.1 In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198804 Archived-At: On 2016-01-25, at 16:37, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > You should be able to get the common ones with the C-x 8 commands t= hat > > work out of the box. > > C-x 8 may be a good replacement for iso-acc, iso-insert, iso-swed. > > "C-x 8 RET" > > should give you any unicode character by name. > > That is useless in practice, because it requires users to know these > long and often obscure names. When I wanted to do this, I was unable > to do it with C-x 8. I was totally stumped! All I could do was try > to find a file which had the character I wanted. > > We need a way to enter any Unicode character that is EASY to use > and does not require using its official name. Have you heard about autocompletion? Sorry, could not resist. In fact, I agree that C-x 8 RET with stock Emacs is not the best experience, but either Icicles (which I used previously) or Ivy (which I use now) make it much, much better. Icicles especially, since it displays the characters next to their names. Ivy is much faster, OTOH. For instance, I can type =E2=84=A2 using C-x 8 RET trade RET =C2=A9 using C-x 8 RET copyr RET =F0=9F=92=A9 using C-x 8 RET poo RET (though, fortunately, my font does n= ot support this) etc. Also, TeX input method. I have it as my default-input-method, and it's really great, provided one is fluent in TeX (I am, quite). And, do you think that something like a character table, divided into categories, might be useful? Best, --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University