From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephen Berman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mysterious frame widening Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:39:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87wpl0z2at.fsf@gmx.net> References: <87h9c41lkd.fsf@gmx.net> <577B9FCE.8040904@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467722605 20524 80.91.229.3 (5 Jul 2016 12:43:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 12:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 05 14:43:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKPh6-0007kV-KZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:43:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54704 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKPh5-0005rD-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKPdx-0002RR-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKPds-0001YK-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:40:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:56747) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKPds-0001Y4-AQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 08:39:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rosalinde ([89.245.65.12]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MfRnb-1avSvh40hH-00P4Lu; Tue, 05 Jul 2016 14:39:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <577B9FCE.8040904@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2016 13:53:50 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:bNvG3wTsg0NfLDJ4HLPCMVKjoD3EA1Us3ttzUUurlSxrV0vWaI6 7gKw37y7I3eFRonBMIOTFgv31OdAL4XFTUxuZmk8SjXI43TAMq1EmMRWSp7VZlCRPgaAFjq zGjgtb1fFVtldsspLbhJqkCH5GUcHT5CgF27wrcjuRlV0M9B4+llBb7UBR96FCuSixfkysd Mi589x915xICUVl4Mu91g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ws+fC5vvIxU=:6nRWq9rTi4qdjWPqgPmcGQ Nk8DsoA8lLUzrtG+1zRVqyH20++mlSCCGhC6zOSpm8OFp4obYOYNEIfZhXHr2hb62ZYsfOZfl 5NAzDBUi0PwqAnaSN1QFwuGXpi8Djmz1/2EtQFPUOGMoDgbdileyKkNvQVWXHcuWxXlvuYx7d DBXh6baujI43h5aZe9LlAyqyCxJcnIV1HzufQYbwdUVsOCelfrVEN8f48KQMgMQIkaxgvvl8s WMlcdWgA7HisX+2VrSFTGzjWIjInU7RDCc8643yfkmCSDDNo7BCBsGS+RbZn0J6t+Td4Kjnb7 Emar5k6HO2MUiEQWtmyLj+Tbwx1IrMtWdyvrPEhkhSAIuu/ksTjqlWX+lwZcmBbG+J1QX583U /ANCTvtGiOuQxNnUkVyhY7k7qqOSAmUStwkQKQICQOyAdWyOR63hMNOFkVDfEFpkMUs/eRgeB XDu55qx1Vakj9GAClQ7xXI8Kh4cvdFQW7OGGEtt3FIUYtiSUctVwWfyZxxRbM2lYSVjr40XCT NX+jpLHPPz/zGrQuwbdx15Gn2vkuvwvQnnECYe8wBhDUag53JKL+YEgmxpN5vTJpm3VpQTwjI gk3lkQehW3UoySxJn9qOtZimchl9h1uhCLYcdOm9Zt3Pb86NRrZE978Br9R9l3vNp6b28hBGL vKg9biMCf9QlpH7tp+laW6yUEjdSW2U1qAakhZYqHgUMc97eFnzfqn0AFI/Nkqfbcv5s6uYdr nMCSuJaL16UFYoegHjOj9Knghgj22f4oZtFlcsGDCZ/BAO6H/EsEIICvI5r2cmpuH8BUEzyV X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205174 Archived-At: On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 13:53:50 +0200 martin rudalics wrote: >> Emacs started; frame width: 80 >> Gnus started; frame width: 80 >> Entered Summary buffer; frame width: 80 >> Entered Article buffer; frame width: 100 >> Point moved to a button; frame width: 100 >> Back to Summary buffer; frame width: 103 >> Back to button in Article buffer; frame width: 113 > > Sounds a bit like bug#15700, #22000, #22898, ... I think you're right. First, like in bug#22000, I also see this in the console: (emacs:5016): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_distribute_natural_allocation: assertion 'extra_space >= 0' failed (I'd seen this all along, and also in the past have seen other (or perhaps the same?) Gtk-CRITICAL console messages when running Emacs, but have never bothered to investigate them.) Second, when I disable the menu bar before evaluating the code with one of the fonts that, with the menu bar enabled, results in the frame widening, or if I start emacs with -Q -D, then there is no frame-widening. Moreover, I now know how to get frame-widening without loading Hyperbole; e.g. by enabling outline-mode instead, which also adds to the menu bar (but in this case there's only widening at the last step, and only to 86; the larger and more varied widening only happens (so far) with Hyperbole loaded). Yet I haven't noticed this widening with Dired or Gnus by itself, as it seems others have. Anyway, it's now clear why Bob Weiner couldn't reproduce this on his Mac. Steve Berman