From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Garreau\, Alexandre" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Newsgroups mailing-list gateway broken thread Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:28:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87woqfoxzh.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> References: <87lg6w43k8.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <861s8nefj5.fsf@zoho.com> <867eifcd9l.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539890855 2303 195.159.176.226 (18 Oct 2018 19:27:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 19:27:35 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus (5.13), GNU Emacs 25.1.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 18 21:27:31 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDxB-0000Uj-1i for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:27:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44105 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDzH-0005lg-Hg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:29:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57219) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDyY-0005jV-6v for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:28:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDyW-0007rF-V3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:28:54 -0400 Original-Received: from portable.galex-713.eu ([2a00:5884:8305::1]:58558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDyW-0007pr-L2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 15:28:52 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=portable.galex-713.eu) by portable.galex-713.eu with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1gDDyU-0006KT-Ur for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:28:51 +0200 X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: E109 9988 4197 D7CB B0BC 5C23 8DEB 24BA 867D 3F7F X-Accept-Language: fr, en, it, eo In-Reply-To: <867eifcd9l.fsf@zoho.com> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:37:10 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:5884:8305::1 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118332 Archived-At: On 2018-10-18 at 20:37, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Garreau, Alexandre wrote: > >> I expect the newsgroups gateway *should* >> work. So this is to fix, rather than >> suggesting gmane as a workaround (the issue >> of it being slower is a separate issue). > > (This post I send thru gnu.emacs.help - so now > you can compare it to the Gmane post, if that > interests you!) Yeah still exactly the same problems as before. > Gmane isn't exactly a workaround, either. Or if > it is, it is a HUGE one! I=E2=80=99m meaning from your side. You=E2=80=99d *use* gmane *as* a worka= round. Gmane per se is not a workaround and I agree it is great. > Gmane is rather Usenet 2.0 or Usenet Reloaded. It is the best of both > worlds, the worlds being the mailing lists and the Usenet newsgroups. > > Not all Gmane groups are that much slower by the way. I don't know > why. To me =E2=80=9Cthe best=E2=80=9D would be a tight integration of both smtp = and nntp clients/servers and mailing-list software, written in lisp (not python), and work in P2P, and would primarily use cryptography for authentication, if available (think DKIM+PGP+SASL+TLS, pick the available ones). But gmane is the best that actually exists right now :)