From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow?
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 17:07:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87woipnmq8.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83y3359p49.fsf@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
>> Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 16:22:43 +0300
>>
>> > Currently, we have many more features, but in the IDE department we
>> > lag after those "limited" alternatives. We need to catch up.
>>
>> We are actually okay in the IDE department, with the help of the
>> community, even if you don't like to consider it to be a part of Emacs.
>
> I don't think I agree, as I hear a lot of complaints about the
> difficulties to set up an environment for working on this or that
> language. Even if all the parts of the solution are already in place
> (and I don't think they are), the difficulty in bringing them to work
> together in a coherent way is something that needs fixing, IMO.
Those problems exists but, unfortunately, what we could do to fix them
is limited. The complexity is not on setting-up Emacs itself, but on
installing and integrating the required *external dependencies* with the
corresponding Emacs package. It is very similar to setting Emacs on
Windows to work with grep, etc but with the added problem that the
external tools are not simple executable files that you must put on the
right place, but huge frameworks that comes on several variations
depending on their version and publisher.
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2019-05-14 23:54 Is Elisp really that slow? Ergus
2019-05-15 11:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 13:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 13:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 16:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 20:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 19:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 20:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 23:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 23:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 19:47 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 19:45 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 17:30 ` John Yates
2019-05-15 19:29 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:15 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 20:57 ` Ergus
2019-05-15 21:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 21:17 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-15 15:07 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 15:24 ` Uniformity Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 15:45 ` Uniformity Stefan Monnier
2019-05-15 19:58 ` Uniformity (was: Is Elisp really that slow?) Ergus
2019-05-18 23:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 15:14 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 15:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-15 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 16:23 ` Tadeus Prastowo
2019-05-15 16:27 ` tomas
2019-05-15 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 20:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 13:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-15 21:09 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 16:14 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-16 20:23 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 20:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-16 22:46 ` Ergus
2019-05-16 23:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-28 21:08 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-28 21:50 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 1:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 2:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 4:05 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-05-17 6:08 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:21 ` tomas
2019-05-17 14:01 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 14:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 19:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 20:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 16:37 ` tomas
2019-05-17 16:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 17:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 18:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-30 12:09 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-25 16:48 ` Jean Louis
2019-05-29 4:58 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 13:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-29 4:26 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 5:52 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:35 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:07 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2019-05-18 15:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 15:39 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 15:47 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-17 15:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 19:24 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-19 13:38 ` Ergus
2019-05-19 13:42 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 3:24 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 6:05 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-05 4:44 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-06 21:06 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-07 19:01 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 15:50 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-31 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:46 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-02 10:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-02 19:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-06-02 22:49 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-06-07 18:55 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 18:53 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 15:02 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-17 16:29 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-17 17:19 ` Ergus
2019-06-05 2:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-04 22:29 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 3:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-17 14:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-17 8:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 9:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 11:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 12:56 ` Ergus
2019-05-17 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-04 1:27 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
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2019-06-01 8:17 ` Jean Louis
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2019-05-17 13:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-17 13:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-17 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 16:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-18 22:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-18 23:54 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-19 0:24 ` 조성빈
2019-05-19 5:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-19 15:18 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-19 18:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-20 6:47 ` tomas
2019-05-20 14:57 ` Drew Adams
2019-05-20 15:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 5:16 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-21 12:19 ` Van L
2019-05-23 20:01 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-05-23 23:05 ` Stefan Huchler
2019-05-24 14:40 ` Robert Thorpe
2019-05-25 0:07 ` Stefan Huchler
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2019-05-30 21:30 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-05-30 21:25 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
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2019-05-25 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-19 0:03 ` Emanuel Berg
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2019-06-12 11:31 ` Van L
2019-06-12 11:44 ` tomas
2019-06-14 4:12 ` Xavier Maillard
2019-06-14 7:07 ` tomas
2019-06-12 11:16 ` [offtopic] " Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-12 13:28 ` Van L
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2019-05-22 7:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-16 1:19 Ergus
2019-05-20 11:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-02 21:40 Why is Elisp slow? Ergus
2019-05-02 23:39 ` 조성빈
2019-05-03 0:44 ` Ergus
2019-05-10 13:14 ` Van L
2019-05-10 13:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-11 0:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-11 7:32 ` Is Elisp really that slow? (was: Why is Elisp slow?) tomas
2019-05-11 7:42 ` 조성빈
2019-05-11 7:57 ` tomas
2019-05-11 23:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 7:54 ` tomas
2019-05-12 9:46 ` 조성빈
2019-05-12 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 14:45 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 15:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-12 18:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-12 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 1:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-12 22:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-14 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-14 15:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-05-13 0:57 ` Samuel Wales
2019-05-13 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-05-13 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 14:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 8:24 ` tomas
2019-05-14 13:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 14:44 ` tomas
2019-05-15 11:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-15 12:05 ` tomas
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2019-05-16 6:48 ` tomas
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2019-05-16 11:02 ` tomas
2019-05-23 14:23 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-24 1:33 ` Van L
2019-05-16 13:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-23 14:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-23 14:54 ` Drew Adams
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2019-05-13 1:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-12 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
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2019-05-13 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 15:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-13 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-14 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-14 17:05 ` Emanuel Berg
2019-05-14 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-15 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-17 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-05-13 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-13 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2019-06-08 21:44 ` Is Elisp really that slow? Óscar Fuentes
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