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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com, Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>
Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying
Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 23:30:56 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87woibbpxb.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cbb76870-4014-8e61-a3cb-4b91216ba208@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 25 May 2019 10:00:02 +0200")

>> The minibuffer is where I expect to find useful editor feedback.  When
>> things happen there I look to see what it is telling me.  Sometimes it
>> is an error message.  Sometimes it is direct dialog interaction such
>> as for find-file.  Sometimes it is simply information such as "Mark
>> set".  But with global-eldoc-mode enabled it is continously posting
>> distractions in the minibuffer that I must look at, read and
>> comprehend, and then ignore.  This increases the editing workload.
>> This increases use fatigue.
>
> I find error messages like "Beginning of buffer" (and the accompanying
> beep) and informative messages like "Mark set" much more annoying.
> What's worse: I see no practical way to turn these off which means
> that I have to decide whether I want to use the mouse-wheel to scroll
> an Emacs buffer or to switch off my loudspeakers.  And obviously the
> echo area and the *Messages* buffer get crowded with these completely
> useless (for me) informations.

Why customizing inhibit-message to t doesn't inhibit these messages?

> So while I agree with you that ‘global-eldoc-mode’ should never have
> been enabled by default, I consider it a minor annoyance compared to
> the ones I described above.  At least you've found out how to turn it
> off.

I turn ‘global-eldoc-mode’ off too, but I think it should be enabled
by default to demonstrate to newbies that Emacs has the same feature
that their IDEs have.





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-27 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-24 19:51 bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 20:47 ` npostavs
2019-05-24 21:35   ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-24 22:38     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-05-24 23:24       ` Bob Proulx
2019-05-25  2:21     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-25  6:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-26 11:51         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-05-25  8:00     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-27 20:30       ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2019-05-27 22:31         ` Drew Adams
2019-05-28 15:54           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-06-04  8:21         ` martin rudalics
2019-06-04 13:30           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-06-05 21:06             ` Juri Linkov
2019-05-27  3:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 10:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-08-16 14:32   ` Drew Adams
2020-08-16 16:12     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-08-16 14:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 12:27     ` Stefan Kangas

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