* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
@ 2019-07-10 1:14 Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 1:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 12:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-10 1:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 36565
This patch fixes these warnings in make check:
ELC src/undo-tests.elc
In toplevel form:
src/undo-tests.el:262:6:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
src/undo-tests.el:317:6:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
src/undo-tests.el:353:47:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
src/undo-tests.el:370:13:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
src/undo-tests.el:394:19:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
src/undo-tests.el:433:11:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
only; use `delete-char' instead.
(I'll send the patch in a separate message once this is assigned a bug
number.)
Thanks,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 1:14 bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-10 1:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 3:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 12:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-10 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 36565
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Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> (I'll send the patch in a separate message once this is assigned a bug
> number.)
Patch attached.
Thanks,
Stefan Kangas
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From 5eebeba79f0e9d62daf226ca17bda9ea0248ccc3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 03:05:16 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
* test/src/undo-tests.el (undo-test-region-deletion)
(undo-test-region-example, undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal)
(undo-test-region-t-marker, undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved)
(undo-test-region-mark-adjustment): Suppress interactive-only
warnings.
---
test/src/undo-tests.el | 24 ++++++++++++++++++------
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
diff --git a/test/src/undo-tests.el b/test/src/undo-tests.el
index b84f5a5847..14ba0659a3 100644
--- a/test/src/undo-tests.el
+++ b/test/src/undo-tests.el
@@ -255,7 +255,9 @@ undo-test-region-deletion
(insert "12345")
(search-backward "4")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(search-backward "1")
(undo-boundary)
(insert "xxxx")
@@ -299,7 +301,9 @@ undo-test-region-example
(insert "ddd")
(search-backward "ad")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 2)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 2))
(undo-boundary)
;; Select "dd"
(push-mark (point) t t)
@@ -348,7 +352,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer))
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 3))
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
(undo)
@@ -369,7 +375,9 @@ undo-test-region-t-marker
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 1) ;; delete region covering "ab"
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1)) ;; delete region covering "ab"
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
;; Resurrect "ab". m's insertion type means the reinsertion
@@ -389,7 +397,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer)) ; m at b
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3) ; m at d
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 3)) ; m at d
(undo-boundary)
(set-marker m 4) ; m at g
(undo)
@@ -422,7 +432,9 @@ undo-test-region-mark-adjustment
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (- (point) 3))
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(undo-boundary)
(insert "bbb")
--
2.21.0
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 1:24 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-10 3:40 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 3:53 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-10 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 36565
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Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
>
> Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> > (I'll send the patch in a separate message once this is assigned a bug
> > number.)
>
> Patch attached.
1. Wrong patch attached, ugh. Please find correct version attached.
2. This actually doesn't work due to an issue with with-suppressed-tests.
I have reported a separate Bug#36568 for this.
This patch therefore unfortunately would have no effect for now.
Thanks,
Stefan Kangas
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From 5eebeba79f0e9d62daf226ca17bda9ea0248ccc3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 03:05:16 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
* test/src/undo-tests.el (undo-test-region-deletion)
(undo-test-region-example, undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal)
(undo-test-region-t-marker, undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved)
(undo-test-region-mark-adjustment): Suppress interactive-only
warnings.
---
test/src/undo-tests.el | 24 ++++++++++++++++++------
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
diff --git a/test/src/undo-tests.el b/test/src/undo-tests.el
index b84f5a5847..14ba0659a3 100644
--- a/test/src/undo-tests.el
+++ b/test/src/undo-tests.el
@@ -255,7 +255,9 @@ undo-test-region-deletion
(insert "12345")
(search-backward "4")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(search-backward "1")
(undo-boundary)
(insert "xxxx")
@@ -299,7 +301,9 @@ undo-test-region-example
(insert "ddd")
(search-backward "ad")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 2)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 2))
(undo-boundary)
;; Select "dd"
(push-mark (point) t t)
@@ -348,7 +352,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer))
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 3))
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
(undo)
@@ -369,7 +375,9 @@ undo-test-region-t-marker
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 1) ;; delete region covering "ab"
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1)) ;; delete region covering "ab"
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
;; Resurrect "ab". m's insertion type means the reinsertion
@@ -389,7 +397,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer)) ; m at b
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3) ; m at d
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 3)) ; m at d
(undo-boundary)
(set-marker m 4) ; m at g
(undo)
@@ -422,7 +432,9 @@ undo-test-region-mark-adjustment
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (- (point) 3))
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ (interactive-only delete-forward-char)
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(undo-boundary)
(insert "bbb")
--
2.21.0
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 3:40 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-10 3:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-17 20:08 ` Noam Postavsky
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-10 3:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 36565
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Correct patch attached -- third attempt.
(Sorry about the noise -- it was created in the "test" subdirectory
and I mixed it up.)
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From eddaf5350b6ad25f3cb908793756195cc3bd5fad Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 03:05:16 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
(Bug#36565)
* test/src/undo-tests.el (undo-test-region-deletion)
(undo-test-region-example, undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal)
(undo-test-region-t-marker, undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved)
(undo-test-region-mark-adjustment): Suppress interactive-only
warnings.
---
test/src/undo-tests.el | 24 ++++++++++++++++++------
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
diff --git a/test/src/undo-tests.el b/test/src/undo-tests.el
index b84f5a5847..34c470592f 100644
--- a/test/src/undo-tests.el
+++ b/test/src/undo-tests.el
@@ -255,7 +255,9 @@ undo-test-region-deletion
(insert "12345")
(search-backward "4")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(search-backward "1")
(undo-boundary)
(insert "xxxx")
@@ -299,7 +301,9 @@ undo-test-region-example
(insert "ddd")
(search-backward "ad")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 2)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 2))
(undo-boundary)
;; Select "dd"
(push-mark (point) t t)
@@ -348,7 +352,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer))
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 3))
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
(undo)
@@ -369,7 +375,9 @@ undo-test-region-t-marker
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 1) ;; delete region covering "ab"
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 1)) ;; delete region covering "ab"
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
;; Resurrect "ab". m's insertion type means the reinsertion
@@ -389,7 +397,9 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer)) ; m at b
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3) ; m at d
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 3)) ; m at d
(undo-boundary)
(set-marker m 4) ; m at g
(undo)
@@ -422,7 +432,9 @@ undo-test-region-mark-adjustment
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (- (point) 3))
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (with-suppressed-warnings
+ ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
+ (delete-forward-char 1))
(undo-boundary)
(insert "bbb")
--
2.21.0
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 1:14 bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el Stefan Kangas
2019-07-10 1:24 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-10 12:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-10 22:53 ` Stefan Kangas
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-07-10 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 36565
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> This patch fixes these warnings in make check:
>
> ELC src/undo-tests.elc
>
> In toplevel form:
> src/undo-tests.el:262:6:Warning: `delete-forward-char' is for interactive use
> only; use `delete-char' instead.
Hm... is it worth it to suppress warnings in the tests, though? I
think we kinda expect there to be a lot of noise when running the tests?
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 12:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2019-07-10 22:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-11 14:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-10 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 36565
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> Hm... is it worth it to suppress warnings in the tests, though? I
> think we kinda expect there to be a lot of noise when running the tests?
I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that you're not sure if it's
worth it to fix warnings in the Emacs test suite, or do you mean
fixing with-suppressed-warnings to handle this case?
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 22:53 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-11 14:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-07-11 17:31 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2019-07-11 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 36565
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>> Hm... is it worth it to suppress warnings in the tests, though? I
>> think we kinda expect there to be a lot of noise when running the tests?
>
> I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean that you're not sure if it's
> worth it to fix warnings in the Emacs test suite, or do you mean
> fixing with-suppressed-warnings to handle this case?
I meant the first. I mean, I'm not opposed to it or anything, but my
opinion is that aiming for a warning-free test suite would be to put
an undue burden on the test writers for little gain. (When we're used
to having a warning-free build, then any warning sticks out like a sore
thumb and is generally fixed pretty quickly...)
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-11 14:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2019-07-11 17:31 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-07-11 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 36565
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
> I mean, I'm not opposed to it or anything, but my
> opinion is that aiming for a warning-free test suite would be to put
> an undue burden on the test writers for little gain.
Thanks for clarifying, and I fully agree.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-10 3:53 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-07-17 20:08 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-08-04 16:46 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Noam Postavsky @ 2019-07-17 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 36565
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se> writes:
> (undo-boundary)
> - (delete-forward-char 1)
> + (with-suppressed-warnings
> + ((interactive-only delete-forward-char))
> + (delete-forward-char 1))
Perhaps it would be better to use funcall-interactively?
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-07-17 20:08 ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2019-08-04 16:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-08-08 12:30 ` Noam Postavsky
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-08-04 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Noam Postavsky; +Cc: 36565
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Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com> writes:
> Perhaps it would be better to use funcall-interactively?
Good idea. How about the attached patch?
Thanks,
Stefan Kangas
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From cf0acdd73e665228913836a89d61dac854e296ed Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 16:46:08 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
(Bug#36565)
* test/src/undo-tests.el (undo-test-region-deletion)
(undo-test-region-example, undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal)
(undo-test-region-t-marker, undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved)
(undo-test-region-mark-adjustment): Suppress interactive-only warnings
by using funcall-interactively.
---
test/src/undo-tests.el | 12 ++++++------
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
diff --git a/test/src/undo-tests.el b/test/src/undo-tests.el
index 8395ba9909..fc2dfe027e 100644
--- a/test/src/undo-tests.el
+++ b/test/src/undo-tests.el
@@ -255,7 +255,7 @@ undo-test-region-deletion
(insert "12345")
(search-backward "4")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 1)
(search-backward "1")
(undo-boundary)
(insert "xxxx")
@@ -299,7 +299,7 @@ undo-test-region-example
(insert "ddd")
(search-backward "ad")
(undo-boundary)
- (delete-forward-char 2)
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 2)
(undo-boundary)
;; Select "dd"
(push-mark (point) t t)
@@ -348,7 +348,7 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-nominal
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer))
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3)
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 3)
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
(undo)
@@ -369,7 +369,7 @@ undo-test-region-t-marker
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 1) ;; delete region covering "ab"
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 1) ; delete region covering "ab"
(undo-boundary)
(should (= (point-min) (marker-position m)))
;; Resurrect "ab". m's insertion type means the reinsertion
@@ -389,7 +389,7 @@ undo-test-marker-adjustment-moved
(let ((m (make-marker)))
(set-marker m 2 (current-buffer)) ; m at b
(goto-char (point-min))
- (delete-forward-char 3) ; m at d
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 3) ; m at d
(undo-boundary)
(set-marker m 4) ; m at g
(undo)
@@ -422,7 +422,7 @@ undo-test-region-mark-adjustment
(push-mark (point) t t)
(setq mark-active t)
(goto-char (- (point) 3))
- (delete-forward-char 1)
+ (funcall-interactively 'delete-forward-char 1)
(undo-boundary)
(insert "bbb")
--
2.20.1
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* bug#36565: [PATCH] Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el
2019-08-04 16:46 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-08-08 12:30 ` Noam Postavsky
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Noam Postavsky @ 2019-08-08 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 36565
tags 36565 fixed
close 36565 27.1
quit
>> Perhaps it would be better to use funcall-interactively?
>
> Good idea. How about the attached patch?
Pushed to master.
2c0f6c3540 2019-08-08T08:26:31-04:00 "Suppress interactive-only warnings in undo-tests.el (Bug#36565)"
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=2c0f6c3540ccad4b5832e9e00ece483a6a456bbb
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