* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus @ 2020-01-08 2:47 Deus Max 2020-01-08 19:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Deus Max @ 2020-01-08 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 39026 Before starting gnus, running: (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" Gives the error: ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil Tracking this down the path: - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) - (gnus-group-entry group-name) The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality and possibilities. I believe, the problem is focused in the call to gnus-group-entry (in gnus-find-method-for-group), as this is done to check if it is a "Killed or otherwise unknown group" (as per source comments). I think that is irrelevant, for a function that started just to decode a group name. If this call to gnus-group-entry is removed, things work fine for both offline and online gnus. ...and I think that would be a small improvement! In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.12) of 2019-12-01 built on dellcorei5dias Repository revision: 9dbb63456dbc093339ab1234118ef9adff23f9a8 Repository branch: mytemptest Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid Recent messages: Auto-saving...done Mark set Saving file /home/deusmax/Documents/gitrepos/gnus-recent/scratch.txt... 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* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus 2020-01-08 2:47 bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus Deus Max @ 2020-01-08 19:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-01-09 13:22 ` Deus Max 2020-01-13 20:57 ` Deus Max 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-01-08 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Deus Max; +Cc: 39026 Deus Max <deusmax@gmx.com> writes: > Before starting gnus, running: > (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" > > Gives the error: > ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil > > Tracking this down the path: > - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) > - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) > - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) > - (gnus-group-entry group-name) > > The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: > (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) > > The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not > running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. > > To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group > name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality > and possibilities. In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're requesting the group names from the server). Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus 2020-01-08 19:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-01-09 13:22 ` Deus Max 2020-01-13 18:51 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-01-13 20:57 ` Deus Max 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Deus Max @ 2020-01-09 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: 39026 On Wed, Jan 08 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Deus Max <deusmax@gmx.com> writes: > >> Before starting gnus, running: >> (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" >> >> Gives the error: >> ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil >> >> Tracking this down the path: >> - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) >> - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) >> - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) >> - (gnus-group-entry group-name) >> >> The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: >> (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) >> >> The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not >> running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. >> >> To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group >> name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality >> and possibilities. > > In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure > is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can > only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. > > In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted > in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus > system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary > (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're > requesting the group names from the server). > > Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running > Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from > the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an > encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. > > What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and > where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them > through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. > > Eric Yes, that's mostly how I'm using it, i.e. by reading group names from .newsrc, but sometimes directly from a gnus group or article. So, it would be nice to do some things independent of a running gnus and in a consistent way. I didn't see any charset info returned by querying the server (with gnus-find-method-for-group, gnus-group-entry). Logically, the method should be provided in the group name, except for the primary method (gnus-select-method, perhaps another good reason to get rid of this distinction among groups, but I digress, sorry). It seems that all the real work (in gnus-group-name-charset), for finding the charset, comes from the variables gnus-group-name-charset-group-alist and gnus-group-name-charset-method-alist which are defined at startup and don't need a running gnus. DeusM ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus 2020-01-09 13:22 ` Deus Max @ 2020-01-13 18:51 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-01-13 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Deus Max; +Cc: 39026 On 01/09/20 15:22 PM, Deus Max wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> Deus Max <deusmax@gmx.com> writes: >> >>> Before starting gnus, running: >>> (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) ; ex: "nnimap+myserver:GroupName" >>> >>> Gives the error: >>> ** Eval error *** Wrong type argument: hash-table-p, nil >>> >>> Tracking this down the path: >>> - (gnus-group-decoded-name group-name) >>> - (gnus-group-name-charset nil group-name) >>> - (gnus-find-method-for-group group-name) >>> - (gnus-group-entry group-name) >>> >>> The tiny macro gnus-group-entry, simply does a: >>> (gethash group-name gnus-newsrc-hashtb) >>> >>> The variable gnus-newsrc-hashtb is not a hashtable when gnus is not >>> running. Logical, it has not been assinged yet. >>> >>> To me, it seems unnecessary to require a running gnus for a simple group >>> name decoding. It is overkill, that loses a lot of offline functinality >>> and possibilities. >> >> In theory, the only way we can know how to decode a group name for sure >> is by asking its method for the appropriate charset to use, and we can >> only reasonably do that if Gnus is loaded. >> >> In practice, the same changes that put in the hash table also resulted >> in Gnus group names being always decoded, at least within a running Gnus >> system, so the call to `gnus-group-decoded-name' is usually unnecessary >> (the only time the server/method charset comes into play is when we're >> requesting the group names from the server). >> >> Of course if you're trying to do things with groups outside of a running >> Gnus system, you might be manually reading the group names from >> the.newsrc.eld file, in which case non-ASCII group names will be in an >> encoded format, using 'utf-8-emacs. >> >> What I'm saying is, depending on how you're using the group names and >> where you're getting them from, you should be safe simply running them >> through a 'utf-8-emacs decode. >> >> Eric > > Yes, that's mostly how I'm using it, i.e. by reading group names from > .newsrc, but sometimes directly from a gnus group or article. So, it > would be nice to do some things independent of a running gnus and in a > consistent way. > > I didn't see any charset info returned by querying the server > (with gnus-find-method-for-group, gnus-group-entry). Logically, the > method should be provided in the group name, except for the primary > method (gnus-select-method, perhaps another good reason to get rid of > this distinction among groups, but I digress, sorry). > > It seems that all the real work (in gnus-group-name-charset), for finding > the charset, comes from the variables gnus-group-name-charset-group-alist > and gnus-group-name-charset-method-alist which are defined at startup > and don't need a running gnus. Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus 2020-01-08 19:09 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2020-01-09 13:22 ` Deus Max @ 2020-01-13 20:57 ` Deus Max 2020-01-14 22:54 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Deus Max @ 2020-01-13 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: 39026 On Mon, Jan 13 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > > Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the > gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with > anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been > set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to > get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. > > In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group > decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how > I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. > > Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding > as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. > > Eric Yes, I agree with you and will take your advice. Thanks for discussing the issue. For my needs, I will just replace gnus-group-name-decode with: #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defun gnus-recent-decode-utf8 (string &optional charset) "Decode a gnus-group name. Replaces `gnus-group-name-decode' for decoding group names. Default utf-8-emacs CHARSET unless provided otherwise." (decode-coding-string string (or charset 'utf-8-emacs) t)) #+end_src I guess you may close the bug. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#39026: 27.0.50; gnus-group-decoded-name needs running gnus 2020-01-13 20:57 ` Deus Max @ 2020-01-14 22:54 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-01-14 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Deus Max; +Cc: 39026-done, 39026 On 01/13/20 22:57 PM, Deus Max wrote: > On Mon, Jan 13 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> >> Yeah, to be honest, I don't really know the point of the >> gnus-group-name-charset-* stuff, and am mostly unwilling to mess with >> anything I don't really understand. But if those variables have been >> set, we'd need to know a group's method, and it really isn't possible to >> get a group's method for sure unless Gnus is up and running. >> >> In fact, I suspect we could simply dump all the group-name-charset/group >> decoding stuff, stop encoding/decoding altogether, but I don't know how >> I would prove that wouldn't cause problems. >> >> Can you just not use gnus-group-decoded-name? As I mentioned, decoding >> as 'utf-8-emacs should work fine. >> >> Eric > > Yes, I agree with you and will take your advice. > Thanks for discussing the issue. > > For my needs, I will just replace gnus-group-name-decode with: > > #+begin_src emacs-lisp > (defun gnus-recent-decode-utf8 (string &optional charset) > "Decode a gnus-group name. > Replaces `gnus-group-name-decode' for decoding group names. > Default utf-8-emacs CHARSET unless provided otherwise." > (decode-coding-string string (or charset 'utf-8-emacs) t)) > #+end_src That looks fine to me. Sorry I don't have a more definitive solution for this. > I guess you may close the bug. Done. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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