From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9908: 24.0.90; Improve mode-line's "flags" section Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:26:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87wno9iucm.fsf@gnus.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6949"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 9908@debbugs.gnu.org, Dani Moncayo To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 25 14:27:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrzr-0001Uv-Gb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:27:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38492 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrzp-0003ST-4p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:27:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43232) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrzi-0003PV-27 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:27:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34481) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrzh-0005bj-QL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrzh-0008IT-NT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:27:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9908 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 9908-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9908.162989438331836 (code B ref 9908); Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9908) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Aug 2021 12:26:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46025 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mIrz5-0008HQ-36 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:26:23 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mIryu-0008Gr-VM for 9908@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 08:26:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=BBwk6178kXhYpuPDGWjVFhG6lEGAoM8l3yLmanwCw+A=; b=s42eGSHwxAd0DtA2hL3Jy6UpCz o0f8wD16Q92u9S16c7bK3A6tJui82VuPAYpj+UVDX38LMkmxZ7Oz70KF52J8usowWWbS7A1PDaYk/ cTrTUzryoqqajuNIpiNirEu5cifh0MVhVOSguLEZanU48XljV7KhD7RKT43tk59orfVo=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mIryk-000459-Dd; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 14:26:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Oct 2011 06:42:55 -0400") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:212622 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: [all other cases elided] > I don't see why this is unfortunate. A space doesn't carry more or > less information than a dash: both mean there's nothing to show. What > is important is not to have the dash signify anything in particular. (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) I agree with Eli's point about dashes in the TTY, and with his points about the other flags. I think the conclusion here is that none of the proposed changes are clearly better than what we have today, and any changes here have to be a lot better to justify changing them -- because any changes in this area leads to user confusion and annoyance. So I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no