From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bootstrap broken between 2893cb6a21af3384cf5d6dc2b6bbdd5ebba8e1ad and 469fe6a040d6df612c00ea169670c6d8d7e58563 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:29:10 +0100 Message-ID: <87wnk2xtfd.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87lf0km7t2.fsf@igel.home> <87y24j3ex2.fsf@gnus.org> <874k77iua9.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k773dfc.fsf@gnus.org> <875yrn1wug.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20029"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Po Lu , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , john muhl To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 18 08:31:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myUBJ-00051S-3z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:31:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42052 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myUBH-0007vq-PN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:30:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58330) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myU9m-00064I-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:29:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2] (port=42916 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myU9j-0005sd-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:29:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XqYB9ifGe0B8mh6BjT7mz9Nf862F3rFpfsnpfCFax2s=; b=cRkIdM0UkBdnGPUzlRuF0Aaj7l /bfnkhZtPOJb5i3GWSvx6NVZKCZOLtcDsdxO76nhWnX4p7ynBUz6fUDVC8F0cSFc1QHDu5voZ0aka 8gceOtByhMpcfWIQKn58iWPf1nLiNSaK4+luft3WUdLCVR6QeelcfoYsPQgtgpSAivuk=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myU9a-0006yM-Fh; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:29:17 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEV9fmOGhYlNTUx2 dhCCgRWAfhOvx8b///8EnAsbAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+UMEgcXNJTFNCIAAAGsSURB VDjLdZJbkuMgDEUFU9XfwArgUvnvQbCBuLKBxux/KyORdAd73DeOLesg9MBkvDfOeSJ5+pfUICIn f0PfcvNuPM0lbl4Hkf9FJ2CugfPJmUvgUkhnEGRpoPg/sEnhNSDnL4GBDMBegATyFJJbgCN4GyPB 2JDgfZLCBQQbIqyFNYgKjOwJI8BCZRGD3G2SLAEhkXn6nwyEiBiD/Cj++KMToMtSEJPE8Q0wwXwo sO+9NMcE0QqQamf4M0pDnKYjyEHOvFN/vdcKgKo5DBcx+RMxi5G5yHiYPmFj+xLQFELBV/xwmQpY lDtzUYPnq6SixvvG3Iaodx5D/bIK1LDd1N9H51XEKFm8U4t/UJVCtvryt5+wRnwH7vmhCVYJkALv eJTGJ6A9F9Ryk4i2gj9zFBXo7RBEPSNDr8oNC5IGc9aJ4MYV2wr2nFGkhMZ1rYC4yqTKXtB6le0W 0HYBTWZZ8glIx5v0v8lWBzAnqifSdpzB4L4h93KsSme+j54fteQDGC/1VnK/AkNa3d7jojEW0uex vpIvQOu7Alpee4N3Ejl5Hoc+nh9P4/Vz+AcsorMXoWMPvwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAy MS0xMi0xOFQwNzoyMzo1MiswMDowMO+FcF4AAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMTItMThU MDc6MjM6NTIrMDA6MDCe2MjiAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _The Hissing Of Summer Lawns_: "In France They Kiss On Main Street" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:42:05 -0500") X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2 (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -35 X-Spam_score: -3.6 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282256 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Rather than add a dependency which makes the Makefiles more complex, > I've usually solves those problems by changing the `load/require` so as > not to burp when the file is missing. E.g. for `cl-loaddefs.el`: > > (unless (load "cl-loaddefs" 'noerror 'quiet) > ;; When bootstrapping, cl-loaddefs hasn't been built yet! > (require 'cl-macs) > (require 'cl-seq)) I'm not very familiar with the rmail code base, but rmail.el starts with (require 'rmail-loaddefs) which pulls in all the autoloads... but then the other rmail files depend on rmail, so we seem to have circular dependencies that rmail works around with the loaddefs file. So it looks like doing this might require more surgery than that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no