From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53305: 29.0.50; Echo keystrokes without delay Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:58:28 +0100 Message-ID: <87wnitqp0b.fsf@gnus.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3739"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 53305@debbugs.gnu.org To: Rudolf =?UTF-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 21 13:19:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nAssk-0000nc-Mr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 13:19:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46154 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nAssj-0006Xr-Oq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:19:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsZK-0008Og-0r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsZJ-0004tw-Lb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsZJ-0004Wz-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:59:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53305 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53305-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53305.164276632017376 (code B ref 53305); Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53305) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2022 11:58:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsYy-0004WC-4T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:58:40 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33932) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsYw-0004Vt-CJ for 53305@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 06:58:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=WkMp1jEzcx+ClEo3zQ3vl5hPkqb1+AslBR0xHpc61/A=; b=RfmNn2LX9Eq/RhqwZ6XWB1YH35 DQ4+7lNv2F4ZSxUFRUgHuggtPMs3a7r3KagQMkvPE6mSELezXnuQPv5PMA9IgVONPW3hGsIR2Qvce KyjHfTVFUwMk/mqsIyV5QnsSjTKB9tYVyrKp1eTkzGcZwPYDOtPHl7kCVP8nyTTQffI8=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nAsYm-00040U-V7; Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:58:32 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Osees's _Levitation Sessions_: "Transparent World Jam" In-Reply-To: ("Rudolf =?UTF-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?="'s message of "Sun, 16 Jan 2022 17:19:02 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224763 Archived-At: Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D writes: > Today, I set my Emacs to echo unfinished commands without a delay: > > (setq-default echo-keystrokes 1e-6) > > I experienced some problems along the way: (1) The variable name does > not include the word "delay", making it hard to find; Well, it does more than control the delay -- it also allows switching the echoing off, so I think the name's OK. > (2) I could not > figure out how to disable the delay without providing a number of > seconds; (3) When I press C-x C-g repeatedly, the C-x part flashes a > bit. > > Does (3) have anything to do with the "1e-6" hack? Ideally, I would > want Emacs to have no delay and also no "redraw glitches". Yes, it sets up a delay, and if your redisplay is too fast, the clearing and re-drawing will be noticeable. (I can't reproduce it on Debian.) > I also wonder, does Emacs have the default 1-second delay to save > bandwidth or something like that? I ask because the default makes it > harder to learn Emacs for inexperienced computer users. I base my claim > on causal observations of my children; they often wait for the echo > area, unsure about their "unfinished commands". No, the delay is because many people find echoing the unfinished keystroke to be disturbing. So I think everything here basically works as designed, and I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no