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From: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2022 18:39:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnhdtvwj.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Yh4YrfvvMOzJCt5t@protected.localdomain

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>>> "JL" == Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> * Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es> [2022-03-01 13:24]:
>> I strongly condem Putin's war of agression against the Ukraine.

> Me too.

>> I support to deliver weapons to Ukraine’s military.

> That is insanity. To stop the war one has to do it peacefully. 

With all due respect, given the recent events that is almost unbearable.
I am not sure whether this is some kind of irony I am unable to gasp or
you are serious about this. If it is the latter, let me ask you this:

Should have Adolf Hitler also be stopped peacefully be talking?
Should the Holocaust be stopped by talking? Really?

In general, as the late Winston Churchill said, 

«blabla is better than peng peng» but there are situation where you
can't talk, because the other side simply is not listing. 

There has been talks and talks and he attacked anyway. So sure you can
give in his demands but that is like Suicide for fear of death.



> Not by escalation. This war is in the interest of third parties such
> as US, NATO as to minimize powers of Russia.

Frankly this is not true. After the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, a
lot of former members wanted to join the NATO (on good reasons, since
the Warsaw Pact was used, at least in three occasions to suppress an
insurrection(1953 east germany, 1956 Ungary, 1968 Czechoslovakia). 

That was finally granted and now they are in. (And I can now perfectly
understand the desire of the Ukraine to do the same).

I understand that Putin was upset about it. Well this is not a therapy
session to resolve his traumas. 


So to call this war

«This war is in the interest of third parties such as US, NATO as to
minimize powers of Russia.»

Is an insult to the people of the Ukraine. Shame on you.

Putin attacked without any provocation in a very similar manner as
Hitler in 1939 Poland.


Uwe Brauer 

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-01 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 142+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-26 12:31 phantom invasion and ghostly resistance Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-26 14:36 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  8:57   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-26 23:57 ` no to war in Ukraine Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:02   ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27  0:17     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:18       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27  0:24         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  0:59           ` Po Lu
2022-02-27  8:46         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28  9:17       ` butterfly effect Jean Louis
2022-03-01  9:47       ` no to war in Ukraine Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 10:35         ` goncholden
2022-03-01 10:45           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 11:00             ` goncholden
2022-03-01 12:37               ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 13:09                 ` goncholden
2022-03-01 13:12                   ` Uwe Brauer
2022-03-01 13:35                     ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:02                     ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:34                       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 14:52                         ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-03-01 15:29                           ` goncholden
2022-03-01 15:52                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01 16:11                               ` goncholden
2022-03-01 14:05                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:59               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:02             ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:08               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 10:41         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 13:05           ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:10             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 17:09             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-03-01 12:59         ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 17:39           ` Uwe Brauer [this message]
2022-03-02  1:19             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-06  1:03               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
     [not found]             ` <Yh+0Yr6xR78m2oCI@protected.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <87bkykh9gp.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-06  9:49                 ` Jean Louis
2022-03-06 14:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                     ` <87cziz80qo.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
2022-03-07 15:35                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-08 18:12                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-08 20:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-03-08 20:21                             ` Tom Davey
2022-02-27  1:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-27  1:27       ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-27  8:48       ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:18       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 11:35         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:45         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 12:02           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-27 13:51           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:01             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 12:31               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:58                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:59                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-28 15:22                 ` why conflict [Was: Re: no to war in Ukraine] Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 16:27                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 14:28                     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01 22:44                       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-02  1:08                       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  6:01                   ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01  8:43                     ` Max Brieiev
2022-03-01  9:52                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 15:19                         ` Max Brieiev
     [not found]                     ` <12751820.zrU1mtMFnZ@galex-713.eu>
2022-03-01  9:24                       ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 16:22                         ` War is bad " dick
2022-03-01 17:05                     ` why conflict " Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-02-28 14:42             ` no to war in Ukraine Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  7:27               ` Jean Louis
2022-03-01 14:34                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 18:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-02-27 18:40           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-28  9:23           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:22         ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:12         ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-28 12:17           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 13:08             ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 12:43           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:19       ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 13:22         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 13:45           ` Samuel Banya
2022-02-28 14:26           ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 14:47             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:16               ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28  9:16     ` Jean Louis
2022-02-28 11:46       ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 12:15         ` Po Lu
2022-02-28 13:34           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 15:29             ` Max Brieiev
2022-02-28 18:05               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  9:34                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-02-28 12:42         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-28 13:35           ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 14:44             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 14:49               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-02-28 13:50         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 15:10           ` Jacob Hrbek
2022-02-28 15:39             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-03-01  4:24           ` Richard Stallman
2022-03-01  9:22             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 10:06               ` Po Lu
2022-03-01 14:05                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists
2022-03-01  4:24           ` Richard Stallman
2022-02-27  7:49   ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  8:05     ` Po Lu
2022-02-27  8:39       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27  8:58         ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  9:23           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27  8:53       ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27  9:51         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:19           ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:44             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 10:12         ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 10:22           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 10:25             ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 11:15               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:31                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:54                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:48                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 11:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-27 12:00                     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 12:06                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 12:14                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 10:52             ` tomas
2022-02-27 11:24               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:27               ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:24             ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:48               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-02-27 11:54                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-27 12:13                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-27 11:22           ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28  9:26         ` Jean Louis
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2022-02-27  3:25 emacsq
2022-02-27  8:09 ` goncholden
2022-02-27  8:51 ` Alexandre Garreau
2022-02-28 15:26   ` emacsq via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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2022-03-01 17:11 ` goncholden
2022-03-01 19:33 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-03-01 19:54   ` goncholden
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