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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:287961 Archived-At: Brian Cully writes: > These features prevent Emacs from building, and I=E2=80=99d argue, > constitute evidence of bugs in Emacs, as it=E2=80=99s operation is at odd= s with > standard and necessary computer security. The wording in etc/PROBLEMS > echoes this sentiment. Whatever they might constitute, those changes might be required for Emacs to build correctly. > Your proposal crosses a line into how people should administer > their systems even when Emacs functions as expected within the context > of that system. ie, if I=E2=80=99m on Linux, overcommit is standard and I > presumably know how to deal with it or am ignorant of it. In either > event it is not the place of my text editor to tell me that memory > overcommit is bad. There are countless opinion pieces on the web that > will do that job just fine, should I seek them out. None of this says that memory overcommit is "bad", it says that it's detrimental to the correct functioning of Emacs. (And "correct" here means memory_full being called before Emacs is killed by the OOM killer.)